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Custom Built Packs

Don't worry about fair price/worth your time. If you make something somebody wants you need to charge a price that is worth your time. If nobody wants to pay the price that makes it worth your time then simply don't do it. I too have a couple of young kiddos at home. I will do custom work for people if they are interested in paying the piper. Custom one off stuff is extremely time consuming, mostly in layout and design because you have no pattern and process to follow. My rates have gone up since the little ones have come along. Doing custom work takes time away from them (I have another job). If I am going to spend time making something for someone that takes time away from my girls and wife then I am most certainly gonna get paid for it. I have a number for my hourly labor rate that I don't budge on anymore. Some things I have a real good idea on what it will cost someone, others I simply tell them what the hourly rate is plus material cost. Hourly rate doesn't inlcude just time at the stitcher; it includes design and layout time. Just food for thought.

My question about the portfolio was more in terms of do you have some pictures of stuff you have already made, not just packs you are thinking about but really anything. Gives guys an idea of what sort of quality and crafstmanship your pontential customers might expect from you.
I feel that. The portfolio is definitely a thing I will do if this goes through. I will use my year of building and field testing to build it. As of right now I have not built anything of the sort although I do have sewing experience, something I never thought I'd admit in my life... :tearsofjoy: First one will be specifically built to my liking and for my equipment. From there I will know what I am getting into.
 
What is your opinion on zippers. My packs all have loud zippers. Is that normal for the higher priced pack(of which I own none). magnets for closures ,drawstrings ect? any ideas?
 
What is your opinion on zippers. My packs all have loud zippers. Is that normal for the higher priced pack(of which I own none). magnets for closures ,drawstrings ect? any ideas?

In my experience, that's the norm.

Mystery Ranch solves some of that on their Treehouse pack by using a plastic coated G-hook secured flip lid. They also use an EVA foam, which could be paired with the XSuede to add bag rigidity and simultaneously fight some of the X-Pac crinkle.
 
I don't understand how the connor v2 isn't more popular on here. I literally can't find a single flaw with it for my style of hunting.

Because I'm a wimp who likes the comfort of functional load lifters and a waist belt when carrying any weight at all (I know you can add a waist belt to that pack).
 
Just watching a video on youtube it sound noisy.
It's nearly impossible to actually get an understanding of how loud something is over videos. For example, a bow shot indoors sounds just as loud as a rifle shot outside in a video yet the gun is obviously way louder.

I will say that the zippers are loud if you're careless with unzipping but the actually material of the bag isn't any louder than your typical hunting jacket.

If I had the proper video equipment I'd make a video showing how I pack and carry my sticks/platform and some of the other features it has that makes it ideal for me. I think if someone did make a video like that then this pack would really catch on.
 
It's nearly impossible to actually get an understanding of how loud something is over videos. For example, a bow shot indoors sounds just as loud as a rifle shot outside in a video yet the gun is obviously way louder.

I will say that the zippers are loud if you're careless with unzipping but the actually material of the bag isn't any louder than your typical hunting jacket.

If I had the proper video equipment I'd make a video showing how I pack and carry my sticks/platform and some of the other features it has that makes it ideal for me. I think if someone did make a video like that then this pack would really catch on.
Just some pics maybe
 
Because I'm a wimp who likes the comfort of functional load lifters and a waist belt when carrying any weight at all (I know you can add a waist belt to that pack).
It's a rather small bag. It isn't really designed to carry 40+ pounds (although it can). I do understand that if you're required to pack out your animal or if you record your hunts that this bag isn't for you. But I personally think that its the best bag for the average run and gun hunter. (Obviously I haven't tried or know of every pack out there)
 
Just some pics maybe
Not sure if it comes out properly but this is 3 different ways that I pack my sticks/platform. What determines how I'm going to pack them is, how long I'm hunting (all day sits), how cold it is, and what platform I'm bringing.
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Not sure if it comes out properly but this is 3 different ways that I pack my sticks/platform. What determines how I'm going to pack them is, how long I'm hunting (all day sits), how cold it is, and what platform I'm bringing.
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Nice, thanks
 
Everyone has the problem of finding that perfect pack. The one that holds all your gear, the RIGHT way. It seems there is no perfect setup out there.

To the point, I am thinking about making custom packs, built from a list of equipment. Pockets located and sized per equipment. For example, I carry a muddy pro 1 stick, predator platform, bow hanger, camera gear, SD cards, bow rope, knife/saw, calls, etc. I would design my pack to securely hold my camera gear and have a minimalist pocket with sub pockets to hold everything in an organized manner and flat as possible. A drop away pouch like a predator pack sewn right into the front of the pack. A fully enclosed 1 stick side pouch to prevent the stick from snagging or becoming loose while walking. The list goes on.

Closing questions would be, is it something that sounds attractive/interesting to anyone? What would people be willing to pay?

I am not looking to just pump out gear and make money, I am looking to help people get what they need to be efficient, but at the same time, my time isn't free. Packs are one of my pet peeves, and my frustration drove me to this thought.

Any input is appreciated!

Interesting concept. Build a custom product that people want? Ouch. Every individual pack would need to be designed and customized = lots of time + lots of effort = little volume, low sales, less profit. You indicated you are not into pumping out gear to make money, but you would have to look at this differently.

Instead of "just" building custom packs, perhaps come at it from a different angle: build custom packs to fill an unmet niche in the current market.

Want an example?
Design and construct a durable, quiet series of packs - targeted specifically for the Mystery Ranch Pop-Up series frames.

Why? To fit an unmet need.

There are hundreds / thousands of people that have these packs and really like them. The frame is a hit. The main complaints are the noisy bags, lack of bag options, and layout of the available packs.

Two areas to look at: the design of the current bag offerings and the available materials:
In my experience, the design of the larger MR38 Pop-Up bag is less than ideal. (More details can be found here.) It is also highly unlikely that MR will come out with additional bags - made of a quiet material - to fit these pop-up series frames. (Perhaps they will, but - if they do - those bags will also be constructed of 550 cordura)

Look at the number of different bags Kifaru has available for (essentially) one frame design: 10 or so. ? (Granted, Kifaru is targeting a different market). How many bags does MR have? Three. (The PU28, PU38, and Mule. And the mule is the only one of the three that you can buy as a "bag-only" option. The other two have to be purchased as a complete bag and frame setup. Most guys don't buy additional bags because they have to buy a new frame with it. Want to check me on this? Quick, do a search on this forum, or others: how many Kifaru "bag-only's" are sold: hundreds. They turn over faster than pancakes at a fundraiser breakfast at the fire department. How many Mystery Ranch "bag-only" are sold in the classifieds: zero. Because, outside of the MR Mule bag-only option - which just came out this year - there aren't any available.)

Designing and constructing a bag to fit this frame would be relatively simple as there are two buckled attachment points on the back, two buckles on each side, and two on the bottom. Pretty simple to design a bag from there to meet those eight attachment points. No designing of shoulder straps or waist belts needed on your part. No torso heights mess around with. No internal/external frame design concerns. No composite/aluminum stays to source or procure. That leaves fabric, webbing, thread, zippers, and buckles.

What about the material? 550 Cordura is used by Mystery Ranch on most of their packs due to it's durability, but that comes with the "penalty" of being perceived as noisy. Consider using a different material, such as the microfleece fabric found in a Eberlestock X2. Or just plain fleece. Or sewing a fleece fabric facing onto a 550 Cordura material, or in key spots.

How to design these packs?
Go through the thirty pages of backpacks mentioned in this thread, take notes on which backpacks are listed most frequently, copy those designs, lopping off the shoulder straps and waist belts, and come out with a line of 4-6 microfleece or fleece packs to fit the MR Pop-up series of frames. (Look at those backpacks on that thread, there are a handful of packs that are very similar. Remove the camouflage patterns, name brands, and just look at the design features. Come out with a small (1000-2000 CU), medium (2000-3000 CU) and large (3000-4000 CU) series of packs, with two or three different designs for each size and your "custom" design and template is set. Price them at - or below - the "bag-only" market. Granted, you are "limiting" your market to those people that already have Pop-Up backpacks, but face it - most people that have already purchased the MR Pop-Up series backpacks are gear/backpack aficionados with irresistible urges to purchase the latest pack to hit the market.

Then start sending me the royalty checks.
 
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