That is a good little insight. Above all, if it is legal, do it. We are in a sport that the end result is death of another living creature. Respect the animal and use the meat.
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Does and Fawns
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Season where I hunt is pretty late. I can't say I've ever seen a deer with spots during hunting season so it hasn't been something I've dealt with.
Personally, I wouldn't take a fawn or a doe with a fawn. The former is too little meat to be worth the hassle for me. I'm not looking to make a fawn starve to death with the latter.
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Personally, I wouldn't take a fawn or a doe with a fawn. The former is too little meat to be worth the hassle for me. I'm not looking to make a fawn starve to death with the latter.
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Yes, and yes. Done both, ate both, regretted neither. But that is me.
Spotted Fawn is very tender and delicious, or maybe it was the car and police that tenderized it 
Roadkill fawn.
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Roadkill fawn.
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So, what's their rationale for them being ok to shoot after they lose spots but not before?
From a biological standpoint, it doesn't matter. If it's legal, the biologists have determined that the herd can withstand the casualties.
From an ethical standpoint, well...hunting isn't an ethical or unethical thing to do. In my mind ethical obligations don't extend to other species. Lions aren't worried about ethical treatment of gazelles. We don't really mind committing wanton genocide against microorganisms, insects, and plant life. A select few special souls are worried about the cows and chickens and puppies and bunnies, but that way in my mind lies madness. Why save the whales but exterminate the tapeworm? Because it pleases humans. My only real issue with animal cruelty is the potential for that to cross over into the ability to treat humanity likewise, since it's a societal taboo to kick a puppy.
Hunting isn't "sporting" because the fundamentals of sportsmanship are voluntary participation (not sure the deer are chomping at the bit for an arrow in the ribs), equal stakes (us "losing" pales in comparison to what they lose when they lose) and a level playing field (yeah they have sharp eyes, ears, and noses, but they don't exactly have internet, trucks, optics, GPS, saddles, etc. They're goats.)
I'm not saying shoot fawns. I'm just saying that saying don't shoot fawns is like saying only shoot 5.5 year old bucks, or only shoot them with a bow, or only shoot them on public land. It's an elitism thing unless there's a biological reason to spare them in your area.
If the rule book says I can kill it....I'm trying to kill it
So you're okay with people torturing animals as long as they don't extend it to people?
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You ever fumigate your house? Take an antibiotic? Eat a McChicken?
All involve terrible, horrible deaths that make gas chambers look like a Disney movie. But we don't care, because it makes our lives better or at least not worse..
So, yes. If hypothetically speaking there existed an individual who tortured animals and was no threat to humans...I'd be hard-pressed to say anything other than, "That's distasteful due to my upbringing." Shoot, cock-fighting, bull-fighting, dog-fighting, etc is considered quite barbaric by our standards but is gleefully participated in by thousands of upstanding, kind-hearted humans in other cultures.
Given that our society very much frowns upon puppy kickers and rewards those who empathize with other species (To an honestly somewhat disturbing degree. Your dog is not your child or best friend, Brenda.), it's quite likely that whoever can violate that taboo without remorse has the ability to violate other taboos that I care more about.
But, that's rather outside the scope of fawn-butchering.
Am I the only one that thinks a fawn pelt saddle blanket would be a nice touch? We know they blend in well. Good insulation for when it cools off a little. They're illegal to kill here. That would be the only thing stopping me...
I don't take a doe with a fawn or very young deer. In that scenario (doe with fawn), I would take the fawn/young doe. Around here, the fawn will run off and probably starve or be ripped apart by stray dogs or coyotes. So, two lives gone and one slowly and painfully. Plus the young ones are easier to drag and more tender. Just don't say anything to non-hunter know it alls. They'll think you are a monster. When much younger, I shot a mature doe and when I found her the fawn was laying next to her and crying out. I'm not that much of a softie, but I don't want to see that again. I ain't that hungry.
No one said don’t shoot fawns and I don’t have to have rationale for an opinion. I should probably have rationale for an argument though. People simply responded with whether or not they would shoot fawns. I don’t shoot fawns and I think shooting fawns is lame. If you want to shoot fawns then I’ll probably just think that you’re being lame. If I know you I’ll probably tell you that I think shooting fawns is lame, but I’m not going to tell you what to do.
If one is to assume that biologists have done their work And know what their talking abojt then yes I agree if they say the herds can withstand it then go for It. I am surprised you would say this though when you know how corrupt Aldcnr is.
Also there are different definitions of a sport. Finding no sport in something means that you don’t find it amusing. Just like I don’t find it amusing to blast spotted fawns with a crossbow. Secondly, sportsmanship. Everyone will have their own definition for this but here’s a general one we can apply. I could see an argument being made against hunting being fair and generous to the animals being hunted but that doesn’t preclude hunters from acting fair and generous to their game in different ways I.e. showing sportsmanship, being a sportsman
that said there is a whole separate argument surrounding whether or not hunting and fishing a sport! So who knows.
I guess I don’t think a whole lot about it. It’s about population on the property I’m at. I’m not targeting spotted fawns but shot a healthy lone doe doe Saturday morning, her yearling didn’t show up for another full minute after I was reloaded & harvested her as well. For that scenario it was purely about adding meat to the freezer, if she would’ve had twins then I would’ve shot both. Not b/c it’s bloodlust or shooting everything that moves. But if I have to setup to process & breakdown a deer I’d rather it be more than one for efficiency’s sake. ( not doing that on a 2mile hike on public ,but if it’s somewhere I can get my tailgate to I consider that a great opportunity. All that to say to each their own. I’ll add that I wouldn’t have shot the yearling if it came through first. But just how it went down & when I pull the packs out of the freezer it’ll be a good day.
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All other predators I can think of target the young and weak...is there any other predator on earth that goes out of its way to target the healthiest most fit prey other than humans?
No, because no other species is quite as twisted as us. Except the Predator, which is a figment of our imagination created to explore our dark side in a creative and therapeutic manner.
Get 2 the chopperNo, because no other species is quite as twisted as us. Except the Predator, which is a figment of our imagination created to explore our dark side in a creative and therapeutic manner.
I was at loch raven tonight. Anything moving would've been dropped. Deer population there is ridiculous, I'd rather eat it than watch it get hit by a vehicle.
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At best, you've got animals that will kill indiscriminately in an effort to eat, and over do it a lot. But there is none that will pass up easy prey for more difficult ones. They can't, because their genes have programmed them to take the action that results in the lowest cost in the game of advancing the ball.
Humans don't just kill for food. In fact, one could argue that 99% of the things we do, are not done with the literal action and result in mind. It's what others think of us because of said action and result.
It's how people here can clutch pearls over one type of killing, and think another is more savory. Welcome to chimpanzees with the ability to split the atom!
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Wait....Predator is fake?No, because no other species is quite as twisted as us. Except the Predator, which is a figment of our imagination created to explore our dark side in a creative and therapeutic manner.