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Drone Deer Recovery

Two things: First, I had a chance to talk with Mike for one of my podcasts. It will be live this Thursday. As we talked off air, he’s very careful to avoid doing things that would push him across what I would consider an ethical line.

Second, honest question, for those who are against this being used to recover already wounded deer, what’s the big sticking point for you?
 
Tjraley2 said:
Two things: First, I had a chance to talk with Mike for one of my podcasts. It will be live this Thursday. As we talked off air, he’s very careful to avoid doing things that would push him across what I would consider an ethical line.

Second, honest question, for those who are against this being used to recover already wounded deer, what’s the big sticking point for you?
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No sticking points for me. I view it no differently than using a tracking dog.
If those who oppose it do so because there is the likelihood that someone may possibly misuse it, they are using the same argument the anti-gun lobby uses.
 
I don't doubt that this guy and many others would be ethical. It is just a slippery slope from allowing it for tracing wounded deer to just legalizing drones for everyone for any purpose. Take crossbows for instance. For the longest time here, they were only legal for disabled hunters. I see nothing wrong with that. Then they legalized them for everybody. Nowadays you have young, healthy people going straight to crossbows because they get sucked into the advertising hype and believe they can shoot to 120 yards all day long. These guys are totally missing the spirit of archery hunting. They just want to SHOOT something and as soon as any form of firearm season opens, they ditch the crossbow.
 
I believe there are some states that don't allow dogs for tracking deer and others that mandate that the dogs be on a lead. The reason for this is that if it was just generally allowed the woods would be full of dogs and people would be doing drives with them. Imagine a few years from now and the woods sound like there are 75 Stihl weedeaters buzzing though the canopies and buzzing by your stand.
 
Tjraley2 said:
Two things: First, I had a chance to talk with Mike for one of my podcasts. It will be live this Thursday. As we talked off air, he’s very careful to avoid doing things that would push him across what I would consider an ethical line.

Second, honest question, for those who are against this being used to recover already wounded deer, what’s the big sticking point for you?
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The sticking point for me is that people shouldn’t be experiencing finding their deer through the screen of an iPad. It’s inevitable that people will use these things to locate live deer and will not respect property lines when flying them around. We don’t need air craft brought into hunting. Let tracking dogs find deer they have much less potential to be misused.
 
So, according to some, we we should remove all technology from hunting and get back to spears with stone points made by hand only! That would also remove the use of saddles, goretex, fleece, scentlok, and other modern advances. Pandora's box has been open for many generations, and you can't put things back in boys and girls. Next will come the AI robot tracker/killer that you will turn loose, and it brings back a giant buck on its own for you to post pics online. And just maybe if we all live long enough, the AI will discover that 6th sense and bigfoot so many believe in, too!

On a serious note, I fully support exhausting every means available to track and recover a wounded deer, including drones, dogs, and thermal scanners. The higher the chance of recovery, the better!
 
Plebe said:
It's not a sport between hunters for many, many hunters.
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What percentage of hunters do you think don't compare their success to others with some degree of competitiveness, and how many of those hunters do you think care about how other hunter's hunt given that it's legal and sustainable?

I agree with you that it's not all about the competition for all of the hunters. But if somebody likes to hunt a certain way and it's legal for them to do so, and somebody else hunts another way and it's legal for them to do so as well, but one hunter wants to change the way the other hunts because it's "cheating"...that to me looks like competition and an attempt to ensure a level playing field between hunters.

Also, since I've seen the phrase "slippery slope" several times...keep in mind that generally slippery slopes are fallacious.
 
For me, if this was legal in my area, which I am not even sure it is. I would use it if my tracking was unsuccessful, but truly believed the shot was lethal. Similar to calling in a dog in my opinion. This guy is not using it to locate and kill deer, he is using to locate shot/wounded deer. I have seen some where he flies over and finds the bedded buck but he is still alive. Give it some more time before heading in for recovery.
 
Nutterbuster said:
Also, since I've seen the phrase "slippery slope" several times...keep in mind that generally slippery slopes are fallacious.
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This is only true if there is not a clear set of events that would lead to the end of the slope. For instance, thinking that someone smoking a cigarette will lead to heavy drugs probably is a fallacy.

Slippery slopes exist in nature and are best avoided. And if they legitimately exist in the abstract, then it is the same.
 
I think it is amazing technology that should be encouraged and utilized for deer recovery only. Otherwise, fair chase is gone. You might as well hunt in a high fence preserve then. I don't think the technology should be the focus as its amazing and the happiness the recovery brought the hunter was priceless in my opinion. How the technology should be used is the focus and I'm glad they are illegal for hunting. But that is wild to see that level of detail..
 
To me this is such a controversial subject when it comes to proper hunting ethics. I would say after you exhaust all resources and have given the deer every bit of effort you have then thermal imaging is ok. I wouldn’t say what he does it wrong but like everything else technology is going to advance and it’ll ruin the little bit of cutler the hunting community has left. I feel very strong in an old fashioned manner of YOU shot that deer YOU should pursue it to the fullest extent YOU possibly can. Recovering your harvest is a huge part of making this a sport. Now you can just be a lazy sack of potato’s shoot a deer and phone a stupid drone. (We all know that’s where this will end up going) that’s not fair chase. That’s not hunting that’s not sport. And if it’s none of that then it’s not ethical. At that point you’re no better than the fat lazy son of a gun ordering groceries to his door from Walmart.
 
Nutterbuster said:
What percentage of hunters do you think don't compare their success to others with some degree of competitiveness, and how many of those hunters do you think care about how other hunter's hunt given that it's legal and sustainable?

I agree with you that it's not all about the competition for all of the hunters. But if somebody likes to hunt a certain way and it's legal for them to do so, and somebody else hunts another way and it's legal for them to do so as well, but one hunter wants to change the way the other hunts because it's "cheating"...that to me looks like competition and an attempt to ensure a level playing field between hunters.

Also, since I've seen the phrase "slippery slope" several times...keep in mind that generally slippery slopes are fallacious.
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Fair chase is a notion concerned first and foremost about hunted animals.
 
raisins said:
This is only true if there is not a clear set of events that would lead to the end of the slope. For instance, thinking that someone smoking a cigarette will lead to heavy drugs probably is a fallacy.

Slippery slopes exist in nature and are best avoided. And if they legitimately exist in the abstract, then it is the same.
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Correct. I think it's a pretty big jump from using drones to locate deer to flying drones around and shooting deer.

That article about the Texas entrepreneur is 15 years old. Where do I sign up to kill deer with my ps4 controller?
 
ricky racer said:
No sticking points for me. I view it no differently than using a tracking dog.
If those who oppose it do so because there is the likelihood that someone may possibly misuse it, they are using the same argument the anti-gun lobby uses.
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Drones need to be regulated same as...beer. lol.
 
Nutterbuster said:
Correct. I think it's a pretty big jump from using drones to locate deer to flying drones around and shooting deer.

That article about the Texas entrepreneur is 15 years old. Where do I sign up to kill deer with my ps4 controller?
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Agreed, but a very short jump to flying it around and using the thermal imaging to scout your property and also use it to find the deer before you even go into the woods that day to hunt.

If someone had 100 acres and they knew a nice 8 was usually on it, this guy could probably find it for you pretty quick and then you could setup your strategy for that day.
 
I thought this thread was about recovering deer with a drone. does it work? well the right drone under the right conditions might, but you are talking about a lot of money and it would only work late season for it to work with any consistency. probably take a 2 man crew running the drone to be effective, 1 flying and 1 on cams (remember you got about 35min on battery). the only 1 (I've seen) that would actually work is about $15k. so you are looking at a $500 track fee that might be effective for 45 days of the season. if somebody can make money like that good for them. for those of you worried about hunting deer with drones or thinking you can effectively do that to bag an animal are delusional. a more effective way to kill a deer is post up between its food and its bedding and don't get winded in the process.
 
raisins said:
Agreed, but a very short jump to flying it around and using the thermal imaging to scout your property and also use it to find the deer before you even go into the woods that day to hunt.

If someone had 100 acres and they knew a nice 8 was usually on it, this guy could probably find it for you pretty quick and then you could setup your strategy for that day.
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Possibly. He couldn't do it in any of the heavily wooded areas I hunt. Even in farmland/crp I imagine it'd be a bit of a crapshoot for results, but a guaranteed bill.

The slope ain't that slippery, and the bottom of the slope ain't that bad. If, and it's a big if, people find a way to locate and harvest game with a drone, but it's regulated and done below the replacement rate of breeding and parts of the monies spent go to wildlife management...who cares? If you don't think it's fun/cool/challenging...don't do it.

Fair chase...explain to me the terms and conditions under which you think it'd be fair for me to hunt you. Nothing about what we do to deer is fair. Fairness means equal and just treatment, and they don't get equal consideration or a voice in the deliberation.
 
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