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First climb hunting with stepps and 5 step aider.

Live2huntt said:
What are the Fifi hooks rated for? The only thing I could find says "body weight"......I think I would like this method better than the knaider because I am already going to tie the aider to me somehow so I don't drop it.....

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All I could find was "body weight" as well; however, I know that these hooks are used as anchors for climbers.

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Live2huntt said:
What are the Fifi hooks rated for? The only thing I could find says "body weight"......I think I would like this method better than the knaider because I am already going to tie the aider to me somehow so I don't drop it.....

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Petzl tech specs for this 2 Kn
 
Kurt said:
Petzl tech specs for this 2 Kn
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So that's roughly 450#s I believe... Or at least, pounds-force. I'm 160# so I believe I will feel quite safe using it, especially since I will still always have a grab on the step above utilizing my lineman's rope as well.

I think as long as you're not climbing up with a deer on your back, you should be fine.

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ImThere said:
I wanted to try this 5 years ago and every time i brought it up i was told about a guy who nearly killed himself doing it. Now we are knaider, swaider, 5 step aiderin! right up the tree
I think its awesome
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I still don't clip into the top bar with the 5 step or anything longer than about 2 feet. V only for me on long attachments.
 
JaredG16 said:
So that's roughly 450#s I believe... Or at least, pounds-force. I'm 160# so I believe I will feel quite safe using it, especially since I will still always have a grab on the step above utilizing my lineman's rope as well.

I think as long as you're not climbing up with a deer on your back, you should be fine.

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Most of us use carabiners in the 22k range on lineman and tether. You could go lighter on an aider, but I'd just use the same as your other ones. I'm always robbing one off something else, would hate to grab a weak one and have a fall.
 
JaredG16 said:
Setting the WE steps properly is key... Most definitely.

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Never used the WE steps.....it's mentioned a lot that their a challenge to set correctly it that just till you get used to them? Kind of like what angle your climber needs to be at so your level at hunting height? Do you know as soon as you cam it over it's solid or not until weight is applied? Thanks for your help....I really would like to give this meathod a try.
 
Public said:
Never used the WE steps.....it's mentioned a lot that their a challenge to set correctly it that just till you get used to them? Kind of like what angle your climber needs to be at so your level at hunting height? Do you know as soon as you cam it over it's solid or not until weight is applied? Thanks for your help....I really would like to give this meathod a try.
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There is a learning curve to them. Once you get the loop down it's easy. You know when it's solid because it snaps into place, if not it pops back up which means you have to raise the step up a little and cam it back into place. I hope this makes sense.
 
I've struggled to get all three points of contact on the WE steps when dealing with pine trees. This seems like a great idea, similar to G2outdoors method
 
Public said:
Never used the WE steps.....it's mentioned a lot that their a challenge to set correctly it that just till you get used to them? Kind of like what angle your climber needs to be at so your level at hunting height? Do you know as soon as you cam it over it's solid or not until weight is applied? Thanks for your help....I really would like to give this meathod a try.
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As with most everything, it does take some time and repetition to get a feel for using the WE steps. It took me three or four outings before I really got that feel for them. Now, it takes me 30-40 seconds max to install each step, and perhaps 2 minutes to install my three-step platform. Generally, you can immediately tell when you have a solid, tight cam on the step. Every now and then, I have one that drops just a little due to the back of the tree, but that's to be expected and unavoidable really with some types of tree (pine is a pain in the arse). Even if there is a slight give to the steps, they are still solid and will not fall. The knot used is solid and is basically a friction knot so if you have pressure on the step, the knot is not coming undone.

I hope this helps you out!

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kenn1320 said:
Most of us use carabiners in the 22k range on lineman and tether. You could go lighter on an aider, but I'd just use the same as your other ones. I'm always robbing one off something else, would hate to grab a weak one and have a fall.
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All of my 'biners are rated 24kn. The advantage of the Fifi hooks on the aider is that you can easily lift it up by the bungie due to it's open hook design. When using a 'biner, you have to either use the knaider or bend over and manually remove the 'biner. I'd rather not have to do that, as it seems just as dangerous to me. Fifi hooks are used by pro climbers, so I figure (as with most of our saddle gear), if it's good enough for climbing a rock cliff, it's good enough for me climbing a tree.

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JaredG16 said:
All of my 'biners are rated 24kn. The advantage of the Fifi hooks on the aider is that you can easily lift it up by the bungie due to it's open hook design. When using a 'biner, you have to either use the knaider or bend over and manually remove the 'biner. I'd rather not have to do that, as it seems just as dangerous to me. Fifi hooks are used by pro climbers, so I figure (as with most of our saddle gear), if it's good enough for climbing a rock cliff, it's good enough for me climbing a tree.

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I'm currently using a S hook I got off of a ratchet strap I had that is rated for #2500. It is working very well thus far. IT weighs more than the whole aider, but it is working well.
 
I was thinking of trying the same thing just using the LoneWolf hook that most are using for knaiders on the top of the aider. Easy to pull up and lower with 550 cord attached to my saddle.
 
JaredG16 said:
As with most everything, it does take some time and repetition to get a feel for using the WE steps. It took me three or four outings before I really got that feel for them. Now, it takes me 30-40 seconds max to install each step, and perhaps 2 minutes to install my three-step platform. Generally, you can immediately tell when you have a solid, tight cam on the step. Every now and then, I have one that drops just a little due to the back of the tree, but that's to be expected and unavoidable really with some types of tree (pine is a pain in the arse). Even if there is a slight give to the steps, they are still solid and will not fall. The knot used is solid and is basically a friction knot so if you have pressure on the step, the knot is not coming undone.

I hope this helps you out!

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Makes sense. Thank you!
 
Unless the rod in the step goes all the way through the tubing I'd be looking it over often. I don't have one infront of me but the little rod welded to thin tubing is a recipe for a tear in the tube. Not trying to be a debbie downer, I'm just saying I'd keep an eye on it.
 
Marc W said:
I was thinking of trying the same thing just using the LoneWolf hook that most are using for knaiders on the top of the aider. Easy to pull up and lower with 550 cord attached to my saddle.
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That is definitely a good thought! Seems like it'd be a little more stable since the hook portion is basically two pieces of metal versus a single hook. As long as it's under load it shouldn't slip off. Also, it's more compact than the Fifi hook. I'm going to try both out and see which works out better!!!


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Root said:
Unless the rod in the step goes all the way through the tubing I'd be looking it over often. I don't have one infront of me but the little rod welded to thin tubing is a recipe for a tear in the tube. Not trying to be a debbie downer, I'm just saying I'd keep an eye on it.
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Not following ya. What are you talking about?

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