Well you don't usually see trapping drags unless you wander into a trapping convention or store . They only way 2-3# normally and it don't take much to hold a kayak unless there's a lot of wind or current
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Flipped canoe/kayak
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Chimney7
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Sounds sketchy.
I’ve done a cold water overnight trip every year for the last ten years.
The most important prep I’ve learned in the last ten years of doing that trip is to have a dry bag that you have proven is waterproof, filled with a change of clothes.
Every year I pack my fall in bag very purposely. I start with outer layers, and end with a towel. That way if I fall in, I grab my fall in bag, open it and the first thing in there is a towel. After that it’s undies and my jacket is on the bottom.
Firelogs where you just light the end of it and five minutes later you’ve got a fire, those can be life saving. Some of these ferro rods and things like that could kill you if it’s 20 degrees and you’re wet and you need a fire now. Pack a fire log thingy and a dry lighter somewhere in that boat.
Lastly, wear a life jacket that has a sound producing device in it.
I’ve done a cold water overnight trip every year for the last ten years.
The most important prep I’ve learned in the last ten years of doing that trip is to have a dry bag that you have proven is waterproof, filled with a change of clothes.
Every year I pack my fall in bag very purposely. I start with outer layers, and end with a towel. That way if I fall in, I grab my fall in bag, open it and the first thing in there is a towel. After that it’s undies and my jacket is on the bottom.
Firelogs where you just light the end of it and five minutes later you’ve got a fire, those can be life saving. Some of these ferro rods and things like that could kill you if it’s 20 degrees and you’re wet and you need a fire now. Pack a fire log thingy and a dry lighter somewhere in that boat.
Lastly, wear a life jacket that has a sound producing device in it.
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Some really good info and food for thought.
Couple more details we were in a Nucanoe f12 prob the more stable kayaks available.
Had a dry bag with a couple warming layers and extra set of gloves but nothing substantial
Our mistake was was the front person was sitting in a Waldrop pacseat which sat imo a little too high for my dads not as good balance. I have fished out of the Nucanoe this way a few times including a float trip during the summer with my wife so figured we would be good…
Thx again for all the good info and hope others picked up some pointers too
Couple more details we were in a Nucanoe f12 prob the more stable kayaks available.
Had a dry bag with a couple warming layers and extra set of gloves but nothing substantial
Our mistake was was the front person was sitting in a Waldrop pacseat which sat imo a little too high for my dads not as good balance. I have fished out of the Nucanoe this way a few times including a float trip during the summer with my wife so figured we would be good…
Thx again for all the good info and hope others picked up some pointers too
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Drybag(s) with dry clothes and wool blankets, secured to the boat so they can't float away.
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I really like that road flare idea. I've put a bag of match-light charcoal in a drybag and strapped it to my snowmobile, so I could have a fire without having to gather firewood. One more thing to carry, but if you go through the ice you've only got a couple of minutes before your hands become useless....
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I really like that road flare idea. I've put a bag of match-light charcoal in a drybag and strapped it to my snowmobile, so I could have a fire without having to gather firewood. One more thing to carry, but if you go through the ice you've only got a couple of minutes before your hands become useless....
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Saw this video and thought of this thread and the other on about securing gear. I have not had to right a canoe in open water but I plan to try it this spring when it warms up. May never have to do it but good to know how to do. If you have hunting gear I would think you would need to ditch it until you self correct and get back in.
I have jumped out of a canoe and climbed back in from the stern before pretty easily with someone sitting in the front seat. Maybe after flipping it and emptying it of water you could climb back in from the bow or stern if you put your gear back In the opposite end as a counter weight.
- Garmin mini with paid subscription for the “sos” button and extraction capabilities. Insurance for such if you’re broke.
- ability to start a fire in any condition, and knowledge of fire starting to be able to get whatever fuel source is around you rolling.
- tarp to build shelter to get warm and/or dry with fire. Pole, and guy line, or ability and knowledge to make these.
- ability to filter water.
- For water excursions, all these things on your person in the event of a spill.
- ability to start a fire in any condition, and knowledge of fire starting to be able to get whatever fuel source is around you rolling.
- tarp to build shelter to get warm and/or dry with fire. Pole, and guy line, or ability and knowledge to make these.
- ability to filter water.
- For water excursions, all these things on your person in the event of a spill.
Not WITH you, you need to have it ON you.
I'll add a few other items. Painter lines on the bow and stern will help you to not lose your boat in current or wind.
Spare paddle lashed to the boat. If you flip, you very well could lose the paddle you were using. It's pretty tough to paddle out to safety without a paddle.
And as mentioned...bomb proof dry bag with dry insulated clothes, emergency blanket, small tarp, ground pad, chemical hand warmers, and maybe a tin cup to heat water.
Knife, compass...stuff you should already be carrying anyway.
And your fire kit just might be the most important item. But it should be attached to YOU, not just stuffed in a drybag that's attached to the boat. What if the boat gets away from you?
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These are spot on observations and suggestions.
And let’s not fail to consider that if we are using the canoe for a hunt we are likely paddling in the dark at least once if not twice per hunt. All of these self rescue skills and considerations get a lot more complicated in the dark when you’re in the water. Does your headlamp even work after it’s been submerged?
I fish from a canoe all the time. This often puts me on the water with a bunch of gear in the dark. But for me, fishing from a canoe is an entirely a warm weather activity. Using a canoe in cool weather with cool water makes the risks much greater.
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Somebody canoeing in to a hunting spot would probably grab a camo PFD, out of habit. Maybe it would be better to grab a hi-viz one with reflective panels. And hi-viz drybags, etc., with reflective tape on them, would be easier to recover in a low-light dunking than trying to find a partially submerged camo drybag in the dark. A camo tarp and a minute or two cutting brush with pruners would hide anything that needs to stay hidden during a hunt.
Y'all done thoroughly convinced me to give up looking for the right yak or canoe and find an old beater 12' flat bottom to rehab into a hunting boat.
It's not nearly as bad as all that.
I've gotten a lot more safety conscious over the years. But the day I don't feel good about just throwing on a lifejacket and grabbing a paddle to go for a quick float is the day I just hang it up. By the time I took the safety precautions and packed all the crap folks are talking about, I'd be out of the mood.
If anything, I feel more cautious in small jon boats. You're just headed at trouble faster once you slap an outboard on one!
Most of the spots I need small boat access too are full of stumps and stobs. Have had a couple sketchy moments in the yak I have tried. Wouldnt need an outboard for these spots, trolling motor at most. But would also like to be able to set whatever craft it is up for duck hunting too. If I am going to be on any of the 3 rivers I hunt, I will be in the 1860 war eagle. It's about perfect for big rivers.
Well Said... I've been paddling for over 50 yrs and fell out once!
I'm gonna strongly disagree with this.
We are talking cold water (paddler is possibly already freezing cold from an all day hunt), low light or complete darkness, paddling solo (so you won't have the eyes of a bow paddler to look for submerged stuff). Paddling in the dark when there is little or no current can be very sketchy. Current reveals hazards just under the surface. Flat water/no current hides hazards. Hitting a submerged stump or rock can flip a boat quickly.
I was a member of a paddle club for years. I've seen skilled, experienced paddlers flip boats because of making one wrong move at just the wrong time. It's happened to my wife and I, leading to the "How did THAT possibly happen" moment of confusion.
Packing a dry bag 1 time, and clipping it to the boat each time you paddle under cold water, low light conditions, is not a hassle.
@Blacksmith has only fallen out once in 50 years...it only takes one time in just the wrong conditions, to be life threatening.
We preach tree safety on this site constantly. Double bridges, back ups, no mechanical ascenders, gear inspection, etc, etc, etc,......
But we are nonchalant about paddling solo at night in cold water??
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You Are Right.. Most of My Paddling is Done in the Heat of the Summer Looking For Big Lips on The Water,, the wiley Carp!
Falling out of a tree or falling out of a boat...it might take only one time to kill you.
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Spot on.
The cooler the air and water, the greater the risk. Perhaps deep south hunters have more opportunity for safe canoe hunts.
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Yea we do. There are not many days in the year that the cold alone will kill you down here. Not sure if I’d still get in if it was that cold. A small prepackaged emergency kit is a great thought but most everything else is over kill for me as well unless im going on a weeklong paddling/hunting excursion. I always wear a kayak style life jacket, they weigh nothing and give you good freedom in the arms. No reason not too. I too enjoy just a canoe, paddle, and life jacket, and then my hunting/fishing gear. Simple and less junk to fool with.