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HECS suit

Bwhana said:
To quote @dalton916... jibber jabber! Facts please - someone please show me the deer autopsies with pics of the electrical sensing organs and I am all in. I know you guys love the debate, so carry on...

John H., Hickory, NC

Keep your nose to the wind, and your eyes along the skyline.
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Serious question, are their pics of fish and birds electrical sensing organs?
 
DC10 said:
Yep, you make a lot of valid points as well. And as I said previously, his research may very well be flawed.

From what I’ve seen, I don’t think there’s any argument that their product doesn’t do what the say (block your electromagnetic field).

What is up for debate is whether or not animals see/sense one’s electromagnetic field (which they cite numerous links, separate from the grad’s paper, attempting to provide evidence in the affirmative.)

And I don’t think there’s any argument that birds and fish see energy produced by a living being. That’s indisputable.

But again, when you have a group such as AARDVARK supplying this technology to local, state, federal law enforcement and the military (seals, rangers, etc.), that gives some level of credence which should prevent the casual observer from coldly dismissing it altogether as hokie.
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I can only assume that the rest of their evidence is equally flimsy, since they present the grad study front and center.

As far as it being used by the government, again, they have entertained psychic mediums. Heck, they bought billions of dollars of Tamiflu. Not impressed with them.

I'll admit to my bias. I have a strong distrust of anything that smells of pseudoscience. I also distrust companies speaking about their products. I am not an early adapter or a visionary, I'm afraid. I've seen too many (surprisingly well-educated) people duped by spiritual, medical, and scientific quacks. I'm a suspicious fella.

On the flip side, some folks seem inclined to entertain things that don't exactly have mountains of evidence behind them, if they think that whatever that thing is will give them a leg up. It's tantalizing, and it's human nature to want secret knowledge.
 
Nutterbuster said:
I can only assume that the rest of their evidence is equally flimsy, since they present the grad study front and center.

As far as it being used by the government, again, they have entertained psychic mediums. Heck, they bought billions of dollars of Tamiflu. Not impressed with them.

I'll admit to my bias. I have a strong distrust of anything that smells of pseudoscience. I also distrust companies speaking about their products. I am not an early adapter or a visionary, I'm afraid. I've seen too many (surprisingly well-educated) people duped by spiritual, medical, and scientific quacks. I'm a suspicious fella.

On the flip side, some folks seem inclined to entertain things that don't exactly have mountains of evidence behind them, if they think that whatever that thing is will give them a leg up. Sometimes they're right.
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DC10 said:
Serious question, are their pics of fish and birds electrical sensing organs?
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Yes. More like cells though. Do a quick google image search on "Fish Electroreception." You'll find anything from diagrams to microscopic cross sections.

This article has some information for you...if you were wanting to do a deeper dive on fish.

http://blogs.ifas.ufl.edu/charlotteco/2018/06/04/how-fish-sense-the-world-around-them/

Back to the original topic...I found this interesting on the electroreception wiki page HERE

"It has been observed almost exclusively in aquatic or amphibious animals, because water is a much better conductor than air. The known exceptions are the monotremes (echidnas and platypuses), cockroaches and bees."
 
The youtube video I seen of him crawling up in a couple of turkeys with a decoy is what sparked my interest. How it was explained to me was that 6th sense... like u could sense someone standing behind u is what the wildlife could sense.... I like a good debate myself but would like more scientific proof other than a video... photoshop is so good anymore I cant tell what is and what isnt... but the video is pretty convincing.... but then so is Chris Angel and David Copperfield....
 
DC10 said:
Serious question, are their pics of fish and birds electrical sensing organs?
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Great question, here are few quick hitters! Added one for the birds too...
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John H., Hickory, NC

Keep your nose to the wind, and your eyes along the skyline.
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Nutterbuster said:
I can only assume that the rest of their evidence is equally flimsy, since they present the grad study front and center.

As far as it being used by the government, again, they have entertained psychic mediums. Heck, they bought billions of dollars of Tamiflu. Not impressed with them.

I'll admit to my bias. I have a strong distrust of anything that smells of pseudoscience. I also distrust companies speaking about their products. I am not an early adapter or a visionary, I'm afraid. I've seen too many (surprisingly well-educated) people duped by spiritual, medical, and scientific quacks. I'm a suspicious fella.

On the flip side, some folks seem inclined to entertain things that don't exactly have mountains of evidence behind them, if they think that whatever that thing is will give them a leg up. It's tantalizing, and it's human nature to want secret knowledge.
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Well, at least you’re admitting you’re biased :)

To clarify, AARDVARK isn’t a government entity. They simply specialize in providing non-lethal gear, etc to law enforcement and military that enables them to be more effective and safe.

Also, the thing that peeked interest of the military is the fact that many seals and rangers were acquiring hecs suits on their own personal dime and continued to push for them, the military, to start providing this for them because of how effective it was for them in the field. They listened.

Again, I think this should carry a bit more weight than either of our assumptions.
 
kyler1945 said:
@redsquirrel - someone hacked @Nutterbuster account. Before, there was a redneck in south alabammer climbing trees an killin' critterin. And now, whoever it is, is using big words and making my brain hurt. Stop this nonsense at once! Wear your HECS suit while investigating to be safe!
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Right...what meant real NutterBuster meant to say was:

"Like my granny said when the doctor-man told her to watch her cholesterol, "Show me a cholesterol, boy. You done made it up.""
 
For more HECS fun, according to various research, dogs orient themselves north and south using the earth's electromagnetic field when they pick a spot to poop. If you wrap a dog in a HECS shirt, will he just keep turning in circles and never stop? Inquiring minds want to know!

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo.../everyone-poops-but-dogs-do-it-with-magnetism

John H., Hickory, NC

Keep your nose to the wind, and your eyes along the skyline.
 
DC10 said:
Well, at least you’re admitting you’re biased :)

To clarify, AARDVARK isn’t a government entity. They simply specialize in providing non-lethal gear, etc to law enforcement and military that enables them to be more effective and safe.

Also, the thing that peeked interest of the military is the fact that many seals and rangers were acquiring hecs suits on their own personal dime and continued to push for them, the military, to start providing this for them because of how effective it was for them in the field. They listened.

Again, I think this should carry a bit more weight than either of our assumptions.
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AARDVARK is a business, that makes money selling products that customers believe will work. They get paid regardless of the actual effectiveness. Kinda like retailers of women's moisturizing creams, or male enhancement pills. That does not make them credible scientists.

SEALs and rangers, while undoubtedly good men who are capable in many ways, are not credible scientists.

The DOD is a bloated government entity with more money than they know what to do with. They are not credible scientists.

If folks want a magic suit that hides their energy from deers' 3rd eye, I'm glad there's somebody out there fulfilling that need, I guess.
 
Nutterbuster said:
AARDVARK is a business, that makes money selling products that customers believe will work. They get paid regardless of the actual effectiveness. Kinda like retailers of women's moisturizing creams, or male enhancement pills. That does not make them credible scientists.

SEALs and rangers, while undoubtedly good men who are capable in many ways, are not credible scientists.

The DOD is a bloated government entity with more money than they know what to do with. They are not credible scientists.

If folks want a magic suit that hides their energy from deers' 3rd eye, I'm glad there's somebody out there fulfilling that need, I guess.
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Every group makes money off of things that work. Of course AARDVARK isn't a charity. And, if they have a reputation for pushing crappy products that don't actually help law enforcement, etc., they won't stay in business for long.

Regarding rangers and seals, you're right. They're not scientists. They're pragmatists. They want to stay alive and do their job effectively. If they see positive results in the field, they're not waiting for a scientist to provide them with evidence before they decide said thing works. At the end of the day, it's not required to have the science all neatly layed out before being able to determine if something works. I can't explain the science of gravity through a "Nutterbuster approved study" :) but I can clearly see its effects.
 
Nutterbuster said:
I have had animals practically crawl into my lap in plain old RealTree cotton. Literally have had to shoo possums and dillers off of me turkey hunting, and once had a raccoon climb all the way up to where he was sniffing the tag end of my ROS strap.

The biggest advocate of this tech I have ever met in person also believed that his sister was "mildly telekinetic" and could bend spoons with her mind as a kid. Of course, that "gift" waned later in her childhood, after the family moved away from an area of Florida that had "lots of crystals in the ground.

I wish I was kidding.
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Hey man I told you that stuff in confidence. Anyway here’s a picture of my son testing a new hecs lotion. Don’t tell anyone but I think it’s legit.
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DC10 said:
Every group makes money off of things that work. And, if they have a reputation for pushing crappy products that don't actually help law enforcement, etc., they won't stay in business for long.
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Not remotely true on either count. There are a healthy number of businesses that thrive on selling snake oil. Always have been, always will be.

DC10 said:
Regarding rangers and seals, you're right. They're not scientists.
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Common ground is nice to find. Scientists should provide us with empirical data, soldiers should keep bad guys from killing us. Both are important responsibilities. Just like I wouldn't trust a researcher to know how to clear a room, I wouldn't trust a soldier to understand how to implement the scientific method.
DC10 said:
At the end of the day, it's not required to have the science all neatly layed out before being able to determine if something works
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Sure, some things fall into the common sense category. I don't need a scientist to tell me people generally die when you shoot them in the head with a .44mag. This ain't that kinda scenario though.

DC10 said:
I can't explain the science of gravity through a "Nutterbuster approved study" :) but I
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You might not be able to, but there is a vast amount of credible research behind the theory of gravity, stretching back for hundreds if not thousands of years.

You can believe whatever you want to believe, but there is zero cold, hard, empirical research indicating that a terrestrial herbivore possesses (or even would be advantaged to possess) any type of sensory organ capable of detecting the minuscule amount of energy we offput, especially at hunting distances.
 
sdonx said:
I suck so bad at seeing deer somedays, I swear they sense me. Im the target consumer for HECS. Unsuccessful and a gadget junkie....still I have not purchased one. I decided to work on my perpetual movement first...that worked amazingly...lol


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Roger Rothhaar, Gene & Berry, Wenzel, Bobby Worthington, Don Higgins, Gerald Shaffner, Fred Bear, and Howard Hill paved the way and taught us the skills we have today. They taught us fair chase and being genuinely happy for the guy who shot a nice buck. The fact is these men didnt have scent lok, hecs, trail cameras, or ozonics...what they had was scouting smart and always keeping the wind in their favor. Roger once told me "nothing can replace observation and flexability" get out and pursue buck details...rubs, scrapes, security cover, and food. These things will shape your season
 
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