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Help Me Trees

Is it also called poke berry?
Poke berry is a highly desired forage here. My deer love the stuff.
I guess its considered a perennial. Its not a tree or a shrub.
In late summer, I break the stalk over (like a "no cut" hinge cut) and it stays alive and continues to spout leaves and deer destroy it. It dies over the winter, but comes back the following year.
I encourage the stuff.

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Poke berry is a highly desired forage here. My deer love the stuff.
I guess its considered a perennial. Its not a tree or a shrub.
In late summer, I break the stalk over (like a "no cut" hinge cut) and it stays alive and continues to spout leaves and deer destroy it. It dies over the winter, but comes back the following year.
I encourage the stuff.

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Me too!!
 
Does a wet or dry season impact acorn production and if so, which season is better for production. I am assuming a wet season but I am usually wrong about this stuff.
When you have a very wet spring oaks on hills and ridges produce well and Oaks on lower areas like along creeks suffer. When drought conditions occur Oaks by creeks and streams flourish and ones on hills away from creeks and streams suffer.
 
When you have a very wet spring oaks on hills and ridges produce well and Oaks on lower areas like along creeks suffer. When drought conditions occur Oaks by creeks and streams flourish and ones on hills away from creeks and streams suffer.
Oh ok. I see. That makes sence. Thanks for the clarification
 
White Oaks generally drop before Reds-and have a higher sugar content which drive the deer nuts. Find the White Oaks. Late in the season the Red becomes the mast choice before they really start hitting the food plots later in the season. This is from my own experience where I hunt in northern Mi.

Do you scout for white oaks that have a good mast, I don’t know if thatS the right word. But how do I capitalize on them? Do you scout for white oaks near bedding and then use Binos to see if they are stocked full of acorns? And if so, when can you see the mast well enough to determine if there is a lot?
 
Do you scout for white oaks that have a good mast, I don’t know if thatS the right word. But how do I capitalize on them? Do you scout for white oaks near bedding and then use Binos to see if they are stocked full of acorns? And if so, when can you see the mast well enough to determine if there is a lot?

I’ll scout to find the White Oaks. I don’t analyze the mast production, I just know from experience that wherever the Whites are is where I want to be in the early season which isn’t necessarily always near a bedding area. I’ll hunt whatever food source is near bedding areas whether Whites, Reds, Crab Apples, etc.
 
Oh ok. I see. That makes sence. Thanks for the clarification
White oaks produce a crop every other year and on the third year it's usually a heavy crop. The year after a heavy crop if conditions are right acorns my be scarce. Red oaks flower every year but that doesn't mean that they will produce acorns. I check the oaks in the area I hunt to see what oaks are producing and then make my decision where to hunt from that observation.
 

As mentioned above. Great video.
@Patriot glad you posted this.
One of the things I’ve put too much emphasis on in the past, after winter / spring season scouting is red ( all ) oaks/ snow sign. I’ve found highways leading up to oaks and snow tracks beaten down with droppings and crunched acorns , cams have proven that deer favor these late in the season. Why then, no deer or sign consistently in these areas from Sept - Nov? Ikeman , A. Tom and others make some great points.
In NH tree mast/ drop vary wildly each year and there seems to be a preference for other browse until the leaves really drop. ( I’m no expert on NH) . This was really late with the warm this year.
2019 there was so much mast the deer didn’t move until a couple of frosts moved deer onto other food.
I’m revisiting this one with my kids on hikes.
 
I live where theres piles of oaks and trying to figure out which ones are preferred can be hard. Best way for me to figure out is to physically bump deer, seeing beds, deer poop and rubs.
 

As mentioned above. Great video.
@Patriot glad you posted this.
One of the things I’ve put too much emphasis on in the past, after winter / spring season scouting is red ( all ) oaks/ snow sign. I’ve found highways leading up to oaks and snow tracks beaten down with droppings and crunched acorns , cams have proven that deer favor these late in the season. Why then, no deer or sign consistently in these areas from Sept - Nov? Ikeman , A. Tom and others make some great points.
In NH tree mast/ drop vary wildly each year and there seems to be a preference for other browse until the leaves really drop. ( I’m no expert on NH) . This was really late with the warm this year.
2019 there was so much mast the deer didn’t move until a couple of frosts moved deer onto other food.
I’m revisiting this one with my kids on hikes.
My understanding is that since red oaks have more tannins and are bitter the deer will leave them on the ground to get rained on for a while and that will leach out some of the tannins. That's why in a lot of places the red oak acorns will be a food source later in the season. The white oaks are more palatable right away so they get eaten first.
 
When I’m in a tree with acorns raining down every couple of minutes I’m into deer. My problem is I can’t seem to find those trees intentionally or in advance of season.

this year I’m going to try and find good trees before season by using binos to look up in the canopy.
 

As mentioned above. Great video.
@Patriot glad you posted this.
One of the things I’ve put too much emphasis on in the past, after winter / spring season scouting is red ( all ) oaks/ snow sign. I’ve found highways leading up to oaks and snow tracks beaten down with droppings and crunched acorns , cams have proven that deer favor these late in the season. Why then, no deer or sign consistently in these areas from Sept - Nov? Ikeman , A. Tom and others make some great points.
In NH tree mast/ drop vary wildly each year and there seems to be a preference for other browse until the leaves really drop. ( I’m no expert on NH) . This was really late with the warm this year.
2019 there was so much mast the deer didn’t move until a couple of frosts moved deer onto other food.
I’m revisiting this one with my kids on hikes.

awesome video just watched it. Thanks!
 
One more thing to consider with oaks is the Acorn Weevil.
Sometimes almost 100% of a tree's crop will have a little weevil larvae inside each acorn.
My experience is that deer won't eat acorns with the larvae in it. I assume some probably do get eaten but if there are 2 acorns and one doesn't have the larvae, then it will be the preferred acorn.
I guess deer detect the larvae infested one by smell.
Eventually, the feeding larvae will pretty much destroy the meat of the acorn and render it totally useless.

So...
How many of you guys cut open a sampling of the acorn crop when you find hundreds of them on the ground?
I always cut open a few.
Sometimes every single acorn will contain the worm.

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Any time I find an abundance of acorns under one tree and not much deer sign I’ll start cracking acorns. They are almost always infested with weevils.
 
Any time I find an abundance of acorns under one tree and not much deer sign I’ll start cracking acorns. They are almost always infested with weevils.
I saw this a lot this season. I had a pair of huge white oaks that were being hit hard last year by the deer. This year those two trees were not active but about 40 yards to the east were two midsized white oaks that had a pile of acorns under them, but the sign said they weren't being touched. I picked up a few, cracked them open, and they each had a worm in them. The deer weren't interested.

Our red oak crop was basically nonexistent here this season and the white oaks were wormy. It was tough to get on early season deer. Hopefully we will get a better crop this year.
 
Reading over all these posts, and thinking about all the variables there are with the oak trees, the mast crops, and weather conditions, is precisely why I focus more on the bedding areas. So many times here in PA, we either have a tremendous mast crop with acorns everywhere, or years with no acorns at all.

I've learned deer have so many different foods that they can and enjoy eating, that to focus on one white oak tree is a waste of valuable time. They just as well can be eating maple leaves, honeysuckle, mushrooms, green briar, literally anything that is in their daily diet. Spending more time doing in season scouting makes the most sense to me.

Bedding areas seem to be the best bet for me to consistently see deer. I don't always know what they're eating but I know where they want to hide for the day.
 
Reading over all these posts, and thinking about all the variables there are with the oak trees, the mast crops, and weather conditions, is precisely why I focus more on the bedding areas. So many times here in PA, we either have a tremendous mast crop with acorns everywhere, or years with no acorns at all.

I've learned deer have so many different foods that they can and enjoy eating, that to focus on one white oak tree is a waste of valuable time. They just as well can be eating maple leaves, honeysuckle, mushrooms, green briar, literally anything that is in their daily diet. Spending more time doing in season scouting makes the most sense to me.

Bedding areas seem to be the best bet for me to consistently see deer. I don't always know what they're eating but I know where they want to hide for the day.
Yes, you are right about mast being unpredictable. I hunt mast trees hard as soon as I think deer are hitting them. Acorns are a time sensitive thing. I have trees I check because they produced in the past. If they are not HOT, I move on until I find a tree with great sign. Then I hunt it immediately. Sometimes it is a bump and dump scenario. I literally run deer out from under the tree. If that happens and they didn't smell me. I hunt it immediately. This is usually an afternoon hunt and if I don't connect, I am back there before daylight the next day if possible. Sometimes I run them out in the dark but if they just hear me and don't smell me, they will likely be back before 11 AM. I try to get in a lot of hunts during this window of opportunity when they are on oaks. There may be 30 trees on any given one-acre patch, but they will usually favor one or two over the others at any given time and that is where I want to be. The trick is to catch the tree "on the upswing", when the deer are just starting to hit it hard. Then hunt it out and move on. Don't get attached to any one spot. This is where high mobility really shines.

Once the acorns are gone and the pre rut starts I am heading to thick cover transition areas near bedding.
 
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