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Hunting arrow weight for compound bow shooters

Plagiarism at its finest. I’m just parroting. This stuff is pretty easy to find. And @Nutterbuster is right in some respect. The right spine arrow in 400-500 grains with a scary sharp broad head out of any modern compound will zip right through if you stay away from shoulder. Get all the sticks hitting in the same spot and you’re golden.
 
Don't get married. Your pokin' evenings dwindle after the shaman invokes the arcane bond of holy matrimony. I've heard kids are even worse!

And yep, still talking hunting. ;)
After 25 years your pokin' potential goes back up as she just wants you out of the house and the kids are gone (still talking strictly hunting);).
 
After 25 years your pokin' potential goes back up as she just wants you out of the house and the kids are gone (still talking strictly hunting);).
With an 18 year old counting the days and a 15 year old who just got her driving permit I'm actually looking forward to this stage you speak of.
 
With compound mine are somewhere around 400 grains...Works well for me with large(1.75") 3 blade expandables - I would not have a problem in more arrow weight if I wanted to shoot a heavier broadhead but otherwise that weight works well for me on deer sized game and keeping my shots at 40 yards and under...
 
An episode of mythbusters put a target 3-4 ft under water to try to bust the myth of diving under water if your being shot at. No high power rifle including 50cal touched the target. The faster you go the higher the resistance against you. Slower projectiles penetrated further in their tests. A mechanical broad head is just a big energy dump IMO...



I agree. I shot them for about 5 or 6 seasons when I didn't have the time or patience to get set up properly. I never had an issue, but I watched too many happen in my group. I finally committed to tuning my bow and arrows properly. I forgot how simple and enjoyable it is to do. Now I can put pretty much any broadhead on my arrows and they'll group as good as I can shoot them. Absolutely zero advantage to an expandable for me now. But I see the value for some.
 
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I'm giving the Simmons Shark 135's a try this year. They'll be going on the end of full length Pile Drivers so I should be around 535gr or so.
 
Not to move away from the original poster's question, but in a similar "vein" (ha ha, no pun intended) what do you all think of the new Cold Steel Cheap Shot Broadheads? Has anybody used~ tried them out???? Thoughts, opinions, experience???? https://www.coldsteel.com/blog/cheapshot/
http://www.lancasterarchery.com/cold-steel-cheap-shot-broadheads-10-pk.html
I've seen those. I just can't get behind a plastic broadhead, or Cold Steel in general. But I've thought about them.
 
The bow doesn't change. What's the speed difference from the same bow for a 300 grain arrow versus a 500, assume standard 70lb 30" drawlength? Quick search tells me 310 versus 243 but if you calculate KE using those numbers, it turns out to be nearly the same (makes sense as the bow is generating the power to start with), thus the 500 grain is going to give you a little bit better penetration as you mentioned.

All that garbage to say a heavier arrow tends to be better but to me at what expense? I want a single pin to 30 yards. If that's not possible, the arrow is too heavy for me!
 
The bow doesn't change. What's the speed difference from the same bow for a 300 grain arrow versus a 500, assume standard 70lb 30" drawlength? Quick search tells me 310 versus 243 but if you calculate KE using those numbers, it turns out to be nearly the same (makes sense as the bow is generating the power to start with), thus the 500 grain is going to give you a little bit better penetration as you mentioned.

All that garbage to say a heavier arrow tends to be better but to me at what expense? I want a single pin to 30 yards. If that's not possible, the arrow is too heavy for me!

My Heli-m with 500 grain arrow 70/30 is shooting right at 280.

When I shot pin sights, I used a single pin zero'd at 30. It was 3.5" high at 20 yards.

Changing that number to 575 grains only changes POI to 4" high at 20 yards.

Pretty easy to adjust for that within a 30 yard circle.

It starts dropping hard past 35 yards, so again - if you're wanting to take hero shots, you better be good with your bow, judging/ranging distances, and have a calm critter.
 
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I recommend getting the archery program. It's not dead nuts accurate, but it allows you to get pretty close playing with ballistics and seeing how things will work with your rig.
 
My Heli-m with 500 grain arrow 70/30 is shooting right at 280.

When I shot pin sights, I used a single pin zero'd at 30. It was 3.5" high at 20 yards.

Changing that number to 575 grains only changes POI to 4" high at 20 yards.

Pretty easy to adjust for that within a 30 yard circle.

Oh I agree and that's good enough for shooting deer. My old Mathews DXT shoots right around that 280 mark as well. Can't remember my arrow weight right now, affects of getting old...
 
I"m shooting 625g out of both my oneida TKIII and Screamer. Hit like a truck.
 
The bow doesn't change. What's the speed difference from the same bow for a 300 grain arrow versus a 500, assume standard 70lb 30" drawlength? Quick search tells me 310 versus 243 but if you calculate KE using those numbers, it turns out to be nearly the same (makes sense as the bow is generating the power to start with), thus the 500 grain is going to give you a little bit better penetration as you mentioned.

All that garbage to say a heavier arrow tends to be better but to me at what expense? I want a single pin to 30 yards. If that's not possible, the arrow is too heavy for me!
You make an EXCELLENT point about energy being "fixed" and a product of the bow. Lotta guys seemed to have a hard time grasping that back when I had to explain it for a living.

And there's definitely a balancing act between "screaming toothpick" and "rumbling pine log" arrows. Oddly enough, it seems like the "average" arrow will usually deliver a pretty well rounded package. Kinda like how a .308 is so popular because it's just a happy middle ground and performs admirably no matter what you compare it to. I prefer to go a little on the heavy side, because I don't shoot past 30 yards, but that just comes down to taste.
 
Given two arrows of equal momentum, but with one deriving a greater portion of its momentum from mass than the other, the heavier arrow will change velocity (decelerate) at a slower rate as it passes through the tissues. In other words, the heavier arrow will retain a higher percentage of its impact velocity at any given time period during its passage through the animal’s tissues, thus it also retains a higher momentum at any given point during the time required for the arrow to penetrate.



Another way of saying this would be that, though the heavier arrow is traveling slower, it takes a longer time to stop. The result is that the heavier arrow will have a greater impulse of force than does the light arrow.



It is momentum that gives an object in motion the tendency to STAY in motion. The greater the contribution of the object’s mass is to the resultant momentum the harder it will be to stop the forward progression of a moving object. Anyone who has pushed a car in neutral and then tried to stop it will understand this. The more of a moving object’s momentum that is derived from its mass, the more TIME it takes to stop it with any given resistance force.



It is common for proponents of light and fast arrows to counter that the faster arrow will have traveled a greater distance through the tissues in the same time period than will the heavier, and slower, arrow. This would be valid were it not for the nature of resistance forces.



As the arrow’s velocity is increased the resistance does not increase equivalently. The resistance increases exponentially. The resistance of a medium to penetration is reliant on the square of the object’s velocity (assuming objects of a given coefficient of drag; i.e., using arrows with the same external profile, material and finish). In other words, if the arrow’s impact velocity doubles, the resistance increases by a factor of four. If the impact velocity quadruples, the resistance to penetration increases 16 times!



The effect of exponentially increasing resistance is easy to experience. Try holding a hand out the window of the car, while the car is going at a velocity of 30 miles per hour (which is only 44 feet per second), and feel the air’s resistance against your hand. The resistance is very slight. Now accelerate to 60 miles per hour (a mere 88 feet per second). The velocity has only gone up by a factor of two, but the air’s resistance to your hand passing through it is now four times greater.




Now imagine the effect on an arrow passing through tissues. Tissues are more solid than air. They have a greater density. Their resistance to an object’s passage is higher. Visualize the effect as an arrow’s velocity increases from 150 feet per second (a fairly typical velocity from a mid-draw weight traditional bow) to 300 feet per second (as from a top line compound bow).



Let us now assume an arrow weighing 700 grains for the slower bow (150 fps is easily achievable with that weight arrow and a ‘traditional’ bow) and a 390 grain arrow for the faster bow (the advertised velocity rating for one of the newest compound bows on the market, using that weight arrow). The slower arrow has 0.466 slug feet per second of disposable net force. The faster arrow has 0.519 slug feet per second.



Lets also assume these two arrows are of same materials, have equal physical external dimensions (easily achievable), and both have perfect flight characteristics. The tissue’s resistance increase is totally dependant upon the velocity of the arrow.



The lighter arrow has 10.22 percent more disposable net force (and 123.2 percent more kinetic energy) than the heavier arrow but, because of its higher velocity, it is met by four times the resistance to penetration. Which arrow will penetrate further in real tissues? Empirical evidence from the outcome studies provides an overwhelmingly definitive answer. Both the frequency and degree to which the heavier, slower, arrow out-penetrates the lighter one is of such a magnitude that it must be viewed as the norm.

Well Said!! I have seen this speed vs. momentum thing come full circle. Remember when everyone was trying to squeeze every fps they could get out of their bow. I was one of those people, until I started seeing fewer pass throughs on less than perfect shots. At first I attributed it to mechanical broadheads (which I still think is part of the problem), however what Kyler said above proves my theory that I need to go back to heavier arrows.
 
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