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Hunting in cancer alley

Nosaj said:
There were some studies done on deer in New Hampshire and they found cadmium and PFAS in deer liver but not in the muscle. They felt nasties were only found in the liver due to it being the bodies filter.

If you are in an area with high levels of pollution I would stay away from the livers as they probably concentrate other chemicals/elements as well.

www.wildlife.nh.gov

Deer Meat Safety Precautions

www.wildlife.nh.gov www.wildlife.nh.gov
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This is correct on the liver. If you read my note a page or two back about absorption into fatty tissue that's what's happening there. The liver is the filter of the body and it also has a bunch of fatty tissue surrounding it (and in it). So organic chemicals that don't dissolve in water well end up accumulating there. PFAS and PCBs are two. Heavy metals also will accumulate there and in the kidneys.

mschultz373 said:
Interesting, I just ate my first bit of venison liver this morning and loved it. That's a shame it may be the most contaminated part... i was hoping venison liver would be like grass-fed beef liver, full of minerals and vitamins. it was from a yearling button buck.
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I wouldn't worry about eating one liver from a young deer. Like you said, liver is full of vitamins and minerals- because its filtered them out of everything the deer has eaten and its accumulated there.
 
casts_by_fly said:
This is correct on the liver. If you read my note a page or two back about absorption into fatty tissue that's what's happening there. The liver is the filter of the body and it also has a bunch of fatty tissue surrounding it (and in it). So organic chemicals that don't dissolve in water well end up accumulating there. PFAS and PCBs are two. Heavy metals also will accumulate there and in the kidneys.



I wouldn't worry about eating one liver from a young deer. Like you said, liver is full of vitamins and minerals- because its filtered them out of everything the deer has eaten and its accumulated there.
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Flintstones taste better and werent used as an oil filter for however many years. ;)
 
BTaylor said:
Flintstones taste better and werent used as an oil filter for however many years. ;)
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agreed. My dad loves liver. Fried liver and onions, deer or calves. Definitely not my preference. I like duck/goose liver when its a pate or similiar but not fried liver.
 
mschultz373 said:
Interesting, I just ate my first bit of venison liver this morning and loved it. That's a shame it may be the most contaminated part... i was hoping venison liver would be like grass-fed beef liver, full of minerals and vitamins. it was from a yearling button buck.
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It will be full of those too. I wouldn't worry about the contaminants if you're in a decent area
 
I know there’s kind of a “quit worrying so much” faction, and it’s not really dinner and drinks conversation, but this stuff just fascinates me. It’s not a doomerism (ok well maybe slightly, and probably for good reason) but the curiosity about what the heck Mr Tall Tines is doing on October 17th is the same curiosity that has me interested in what’s really going on in the soil and water etc. If there were a couple million of us it’d be all good, but every time I push our trash to curb I think about the few hundred million others doing the same thing across the country.
 
neonomad said:
I know there’s kind of a “quit worrying so much” faction, and it’s not really dinner and drinks conversation, but this stuff just fascinates me. It’s not a doomerism (ok well maybe slightly, and probably for good reason) but the curiosity about what the heck Mr Tall Tines is doing on October 17th is the same curiosity that has me interested in what’s really going on in the soil and water etc. If there were a couple million of us it’d be all good, but every time I push our trash to curb I think about the few hundred million others doing the same thing across the country.
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What I find myself thinking about is how 200 years ago there were a billion humans. Today, 8.5 billion. Look at those numbers, and then look at the resources an average 18th century man consumed (home size, travel, food, artifacts, etc). Now look around your living room or office. I started thinking about it when I realized my home county's population had increased 150% in just 30 years.

Imagine a fish tank where you replaced 1 little fish with 8 BIG fish. Carrying capacity math is really easy for folks to do until they have to do it to themselves.

But we have absolutely no idea how to stop. Deflation is a 4 letter word. Nobody looks at you and says their goal is to make less or consume less or have less than their parents. "Reduce, reuse, recycle" has turned into "throw away your plastic water bottle or cotton shirt and BUY this recycled, 'green' one." Half earthers are considered fringe lunatics for suggesting that we leave half the planet to the other several billion species on the planet.

Pointing this out in most hunting or fishing camps wins you no friends, which is sadly ironic because hunters and anglers are the first ones to suffer when an area hits critical mass and the native flora and fauna can't cope.
 
Humans are beyond their carrying capacity, but we keep artificially inflating it at the expense of other species. We aren't going to stop ourselves from letting the human population grow either. We destroy habitat to increase ours. We point out invasive species all the time, but we have those 3 fingers pointing back at us.

We're like the sci-fi movies where an alien race has to leave their home planet because they've depleted theirs of resources.

I try to increase native species and expand habitat where I can in my yard and on my farm, but then see a strip mall, subdivision, Dollar General, Wal-mart, or Buc-ee's gets thrown up.
 
There really is not good answer to it that I see. We've been discussing population growth at least since Thomas Malthus in the 19th century.

Long term, if we are going to survive as a species, we are going to have to get humans out into the nearby cosmos, probably a ten light year bubble. We have "all our eggs in one basket" and eventually something is going to get us if we all stay here. Right now, that is nearly impossible given current technology.
 
all I can say is if we think the US is bad, everywhere in S America, Africa and Asian is by far worse in terms of pollution, waste management, environmental degradation, etc.
 
mschultz373 said:
all I can say is if we think the US is bad, everywhere in S America, Africa and Asian is by far worse in terms of pollution, waste management, environmental degradation, etc.
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There's a way we can dig ourselves out of this mess, and everyone can participate.

Homegrown National Park

homegrownnationalpark.org homegrownnationalpark.org

Nature's Best Hope: A New Approach to Conservation That Starts in Your Yard https://a.co/d/0WdW8Nl
 
Nutterbuster said:
What I find myself thinking about is how 200 years ago there were a billion humans. Today, 8.5 billion. Look at those numbers, and then look at the resources an average 18th century man consumed (home size, travel, food, artifacts, etc). Now look around your living room or office. I started thinking about it when I realized my home county's population had increased 150% in just 30 years.

Imagine a fish tank where you replaced 1 little fish with 8 BIG fish. Carrying capacity math is really easy for folks to do until they have to do it to themselves.

But we have absolutely no idea how to stop. Deflation is a 4 letter word. Nobody looks at you and says their goal is to make less or consume less or have less than their parents. "Reduce, reuse, recycle" has turned into "throw away your plastic water bottle or cotton shirt and BUY this recycled, 'green' one." Half earthers are considered fringe lunatics for suggesting that we leave half the planet to the other several billion species on the planet.

Pointing this out in most hunting or fishing camps wins you no friends, which is sadly ironic because hunters and anglers are the first ones to suffer when an area hits critical mass and the native flora and fauna can't cope.
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To be fair nearly 40% of that fish tank is made up of two countries world wide.

Your home county is separate from a core carrying issue.
 
I’ve found that the Penn State New Bolton Center toxilcology lab (610-925-6217) can do tissue lead tests for $31 each, nonresident price, I’m in Ohio. I mentioned we have an old national guard shooting range nearby, next season I plan to drop a monster buck, then send fat, muscle, liver, and blood samples to them to see what I’m dealing with. I didn’t ask but would imagine they can test for a number of substances in deer.
 
neonomad said:
I’ve found that the Penn State New Bolton Center toxilcology lab (610-925-6217) can do tissue lead tests for $31 each, nonresident price, I’m in Ohio. I mentioned we have an old national guard shooting range nearby, next season I plan to drop a monster buck, then send fat, muscle, liver, and blood samples to them to see what I’m dealing with. I didn’t ask but would imagine they can test for a number of substances in deer.
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That would be pretty interesting to see. If we could get a corresponding sample from Cancer Alley to compare it too that would be cool.
 
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