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Is Colorado even serious?

kyler1945 said:
Hiker/biker/hippie walks on trail, cow elk and calves (born or unborn doesn’t matter) relocate to a slightly less desirable place in wintering ground. Not good, but not worse case. There’s plenty of places to hide. Shed hunter finds herd of elk in spotting scope in their new hide. Sees a couple bulls sporting bloody bases. Walks directly into that herd’s location to find sheds. This forces those cows(and bulls) to relocate once again to less desirable wintering hides, while burning precious calories along the way while almost all food is under feet of snow. Rinse, repeat, following herds around. With intense focus and effort. Hikers/bikers/hippies just keep walking same single track…

How do you not see the difference between those two things? You’re clearly missing a lot of context. This isn’t some random overreach. And if you’re going to accuse the folks paid and incentivized to make these calls, feel free to produce evidence that what they’re doing is not based on sound data. They have no reason to lie. And the ones that we can make up require a serious coordination effort to pull off the lie.
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I'm not saying its a lie at all. I'm just wondering what other factors are involved in the entire big picture. Is it not just as silly to worry about this when the overall park is being invaded anyway? I'm sure at some point those trails and paths were once Elk country too. What a shame for the elk that were originally displaced when the trail went in??? I guess I'm just arguing for some parity for all users. If finding sheds is so impactful, I'd like to see what other factors are as well. I think somebody else said it in this post, close it down for all if you going to close it down for some. Perhaps that's not fair either and hey, I'm all for seeing where this is the causal agent of highest concern for winter loss and declining recruitment rates for the CO ungulate population.
 
woodsdog2 said:
I'm not saying its a lie at all. I'm just wondering what other factors are involved in the entire big picture. Is it not just as silly to worry about this when the overall park is being invaded anyway? I'm sure at some point those trails and paths were once Elk country too. What a shame for the elk that were originally displaced when the trail went in??? I guess I'm just arguing for some parity for all users. If finding sheds is so impactful, I'd like to see what other factors are as well. I think somebody else said it in this post, close it down for all if you going to close it down for some. Perhaps that's not fair either and hey, I'm all for seeing where this is the causal agent of highest concern for winter loss and declining recruitment rates for the CO ungulate population.
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I have not looked into how many but there are areas in CO that are closed to all access because they are calving areas. The issue here is the pressure put on pregnant cows before they move to their calving areas. The population in all parts of the state is not thriving and if shutting down shed hunting until the point in time where most or all cows have moved to their calving areas helps the population, then that is what needs to happen. I would not argue shutting down all other access into the areas herds are wintering and transitioning to calving areas. There are plenty of places in CO for folks to recreate without pressuring a limited resource. But I also think we should put an end to all for profit enterprise on public lands that are resource consumptive. That would include guiding and grazing at the top of the list. That viewpoint wont make many friends but conservation and stewardship are about leaving it better than we found it and we are not doing nearly as good of a job of that as we could if people put the resource ahead of their personal wants.
 
BTaylor said:
I have not looked into how many but there are areas in CO that are closed to all access because they are calving areas. The issue here is the pressure put on pregnant cows before they move to their calving areas. The population in all parts of the state is not thriving and if shutting down shed hunting until the point in time where most or all cows have moved to their calving areas helps the population, then that is what needs to happen. I would not argue shutting down all other access into the areas herds are wintering and transitioning to calving areas. There are plenty of places in CO for folks to recreate without pressuring a limited resource. But I also think we should put an end to all for profit enterprise on public lands that are resource consumptive. That would include guiding and grazing at the top of the list. That viewpoint wont make many friends but conservation and stewardship are about leaving it better than we found it and we are not doing nearly as good of a job of that as we could if people put the resource ahead of their personal wants.
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Agreed but conservation is the wise use of natural resources not non-use. That's preservation. We are conservationist, not preservationists unless absolutely necessary.
 
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