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John Eberhart's Kestrel modifactions

I enjoy the Hunting Beast website a lot, and will continue to do so. I try to block out any whining from any one person on any site and enjoy the knowledge gained from all the guys who get it done, and share their experiences freely. There are a lot of guys on that site that get it done too.
 
I enjoy the Hunting Beast website a lot, and will continue to do so. I try to block out any whining from any one person on any site and enjoy the knowledge gained from all the guys who get it done, and share their experiences freely. There are a lot of guys on that site that get it done too.
No doubt. I still consider the beast the best deer hunting forum on the web and it's not even close.

We don't talk much about hunting tactics on this forum. It would be cool if we did but we spend most of the time talking about gear. We probably should....

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I'm hope I'm not derailing this thread too much, but where do you suggest hunting early season Dave? I've always had a hard time figuring that one out and I pushed a beautiful buck I had on camera nocturnal trying to hunt him too early. Anyone else with any ideas?


Entry/exit to bedding areas.... I don't focus on a specific bed
 
No doubt. I still consider the beast the best deer hunting forum on the web and it's not even close.

We don't talk much about hunting tactics on this forum. It would be cool if we did but we spend most of the time talking about gear. We probably should....

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I agree with this.

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I wasn't aware that Myles had hit someone while intoxicated. That is so sad to hear as I can only imagine how distraught and angry I would have been had I lost one of my kids at the age of 5 to a drunk that decided to drive while intoxicated. I can't believe how he received such a light sentence. Sure glad I don't drink as way too many innocent people get killed or have their loved ones killed by irresponsible adults with drivers licenses.

I knew Myles was a drinker because at shows he would typically have a drink in his hand, just didn't know to what extent..
 
It is definitely heartbreaking for everyone involved. I can't imagine losing a child that way, and I can imagine taking a life that way either.... especially a child. I pray that healing will come to both the family and two Myles, who I'm sure will deal with that the rest of his life.
 
Myles must have had mental illness depression / anxiety/ ptsd from somthing and drank his troubles or sadness away
I suffer from ptsd and severe depression from 20 years in corrections but i will not and refuse to take drugs or drown my sorrows with addiction. My wife and kids are too important to me. My wife has a hard enough time dealing with my idiocy anyway lol
And that light sentence myles keller got just shows you that im sure he knew someone or paid everything he had to swindle his way out of facing the consequences of his actions if that was a blue collar guy who did this
Be at least 10-15 years at least. But its like i said it takes an tragedy of someone else to learn how a person really was or lived
God bless the family and loved ones of this innocent child who had to pay the price of an idiot


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Entry/exit to bedding areas.... I don't focus on a specific bed

Thanks Dave. I'll be anxiously awaiting your videos coming up in 2018!

Thanks for this thread John. I'd love to pick up a kestrel at some point to see if it'd be an improvement over my sit drag and rc harness setup.

It'd be nice if we talked whitetail tactics here a bit more - or if it was easier for a newbie like me to find the information I'm searching for. I like how everyone here doesn't subscribe to any one particular method just because someone says "this is what you should do". You all seem to create your success from hard work and theory testing. I also believe the average saddle hunter actually goes farther than your average stand hunter (including the average beasts). I'm curious to see how that affects your strategies as well.
 
The 2 leg buckles on a Kestrel weigh more than a set of keys but the main point is they can potentially make noise as they fit together and are made of metal. I will not take that chance. I could see cutting off the buckles and having the 2 ends sewn together at whatever length is needed to eliminate the possibility of noise and eliminate a little weight.

John, I definitely see your point, and a lighter, quieter, leg strap might be a viable option down the road. It was definitely discussed in the process along the way.

However, the buckles are bombproof when it comes to safety and ease of use. And the most important point is that they make the Kestrel easy to take on and take off--even for someone who has never laid their hands on a saddle before. There was a quite a bit of discussion during development to get to the Kestrel--including input from members on this forum--discussion of what would work the best versus ease of use. The difference between designing a saddle that can be marketed to anyone, including someone who has never used a saddle or even hunted from an elevated position, and designing a saddle for an experienced saddle hunter is huge.

That said, the Kestrel is the safest, lightest, most comfortable, and most user friendly saddle ever mass produced. Is it the lightest? The quietest? No. But there are compromises that have to be made for safety and simplicity of use. Will it bring more people to saddle hunting? I certainly hope so.
 
John, I definitely see your point, and a lighter, quieter, leg strap might be a viable option down the road. It was definitely discussed in the process along the way.

However, the buckles are bombproof when it comes to safety and ease of use. And the most important point is that they make the Kestrel easy to take on and take off--even for someone who has never laid their hands on a saddle before. There was a quite a bit of discussion during development to get to the Kestrel--including input from members on this forum--discussion of what would work the best versus ease of use. The difference between designing a saddle that can be marketed to anyone, including someone who has never used a saddle or even hunted from an elevated position, and designing a saddle for an experienced saddle hunter is huge.

That said, the Kestrel is the safest, lightest, most comfortable, and most user friendly saddle ever mass produced. Is it the lightest? The quietest? No. But there are compromises that have to be made for safety and simplicity of use. Will it bring more people to saddle hunting? I certainly hope so.

I agree with this.

I think the Kestrel is the best way to get new hunters into a saddle.

You make a good point about making a saddle that checks all the boxes. Good post.
 
I agree with this.

I think the Kestrel is the best way to get new hunters into a saddle.

You make a good point about making a saddle that checks all the boxes. Good post.

Thanks. I've been using your packhanger idea-- I'm using 550 cord and some 2mm lawson tac line for the prussic. Works great.
 
Thanks. I've been using your packhanger idea-- I'm using 550 cord and some 2mm lawson tac line for the prussic. Works great.
550 cord is a great option. I only used amsteel because I have a ton of it, and I love splicing loops whenever I can.

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John, I definitely see your point, and a lighter, quieter, leg strap might be a viable option down the road. It was definitely discussed in the process along the way.

However, the buckles are bombproof when it comes to safety and ease of use. And the most important point is that they make the Kestrel easy to take on and take off--even for someone who has never laid their hands on a saddle before. There was a quite a bit of discussion during development to get to the Kestrel--including input from members on this forum--discussion of what would work the best versus ease of use. The difference between designing a saddle that can be marketed to anyone, including someone who has never used a saddle or even hunted from an elevated position, and designing a saddle for an experienced saddle hunter is huge.

That said, the Kestrel is the safest, lightest, most comfortable, and most user friendly saddle ever mass produced. Is it the lightest? The quietest? No. But there are compromises that have to be made for safety and simplicity of use. Will it bring more people to saddle hunting? I certainly hope so.

Well said. I agree


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I still think you'd be better with a size 2. I know what the new tribe recommendations are and I don't agree with them. I wouldn't have believed I needed a size 2. I hunted the first 2 months of the season in my size 1 and I was just ok. I could get comfortable with a low tether but when I tried to move it up it was uncomfortable. After I picked up the size 2 I have had zero comfort issues no matter how I set up.

I'm 5'7", 180# with a 36" waist. Anytime I see someone who is in any way larger than me have comfort issues I think they need the size 2.

Is the seating on the size 2 larger? I'm 5' 11" and around 180 lbs with a 34" waist. Just curious if a size 2 would fit my lower body better. I have the size 1, but it seems a bit small for my butt.
 
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John certainly has way way more experience than most and using his system is not for most of us. Not for me either but it is interesting for sure. I know the tree tether system is not for most of us. Leg straps, I like mine despite the weight I can see a few legs straps being removed.
I know everyone talks about the weight but a Kestrel is not that heavy. I use to carry a Tree Lounge around now that's heavy. To me a Kestrel is like carrying nothing. It's way better than carrying my Lonewolf sit-n- climb with a backpack on it. Just my opinion .
 
I know everyone talks about the weight but a Kestrel is not that heavy. I use to carry a Tree Lounge around now that's heavy. To me a Kestrel is like carrying nothing. It's way better than carrying my Lonewolf sit-n- climb with a backpack on it. Just my opinion .
I like mine despite the weight I can see a few legs straps being removed..... I think I may have been misunderstood. Some people complain about the leg straps being unnecessary weight. I do not think that they are a problem personally and like the straps as is.
That said I will reduce weight everywhere I can because I have 60 year old arthritic knees for pushing pigs for 30 years. but the leg straps stay for me. Some people have cut them off.
 
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I like mine despite the weight I can see a few legs straps being removed..... I think I may have been misunderstood. Some people complain about the leg straps being unnecessary weight. I do not think that they are a problem personally and like the straps as is.
That said I will reduce weight everywhere I can because I have 60 year old arthritic knees for pushing pigs for 30 years. but the leg straps stay for me. Some people have cut them off.
I will soon be 59 and as some of you know I was injured at work over a year ago. Brust facture of L3 sattered left pelvic broke right pelvic. I would go as light as possible but the Kestrel is light enough for me. The arthritis in my back makes it hard to bend so I will go light with my steps and backpack and any other things I can but the Kestrel will stay in tact.
 
I will soon be 59 and as some of you know I was injured at work over a year ago. Brust facture of L3 sattered left pelvic broke right pelvic. I would go as light as possible but the Kestrel is light enough for me. The arthritis in my back makes it hard to bend so I will go light with my steps and backpack and any other things I can but the Kestrel will stay in tact.
Totally agree. I am trying to lighten the climbing method. I am sure I can get to 24 feet with less then 5 pounds plus a platform. The Kestrel is not heavy. With an Amsteel bridge it is not much more than the saddle fleece and rock climbing harness. Maybe a pound more.

It is a bummer having physical limitations to hunting. I have some injuries that create issues for me too, I hope we can hunt for a long time yet.
 
Totally agree. I am trying to lighten the climbing method. I am sure I can get to 24 feet with less then 5 pounds plus a platform. The Kestrel is not heavy. With an Amsteel bridge it is not much more than the saddle fleece and rock climbing harness. Maybe a pound more.

It is a bummer having physical limitations to hunting. I have some injuries that create issues for me too, I hope we can hunt for a long time yet.
Amen to that.
 
Doing the things I did as a young man, climbing is not as easy as once was. Between injuries etc. I feel confident with Kestrel, as is. I did add the ropeman on the linesman’s belt. Other than a pair of suspenders, I am not cutting any straps off. One fall from a tree was enough. The whole reason I am getting back in a tree is because it is the safest method.

There are only so many things you can reduce in weight, before you are putting yourself and family at risk.

Please be safe guys.
 
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