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Looking for a warmer mid layer fleece. Suggestions?

gcr0003 said:
That redhead ain’t but 150 gsm. It would pair well with a base layer but I’m looking for something thicker. I can do a light fleece like that down into the upper 20s and low 30s. This weekend is going to be a lot colder so that’s why I’m stepping it up a notch lol.

The Helly Hansen layer I got was 340 I think…
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yeah....that's perfect for my uses though because i want it to disappear in my pack....i hike in way colder than most people
 

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Maverick1 said:
OK. For your reading enjoyment, below are a few articles.

Understanding Garment Comfort Limits
Understanding CLO values
CLO values explained

From the chart below, the CLO value of fleece is much lower than down, primaloft (in it's many versions), etc. Said differently, there are better choices for an insulation layer:
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Ehhh, by itself maybe. Teamed up together it makes a difference. If you had an option between fleece and down or just down You’re saying you wouldnt take both? Also, Look how low merino wool is! I wonder how these fabrics are tested.
 
gcr0003 said:
Yea I'll wear a baselayer, fleece midlayer, then a primaloft or down jacket followed by a shell or outer jacket. That seems to be a good combo. I think the down and synthetic down work well in conjunction with fleece.
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Keeps you warm down to what temps? Not looking to critique, just asking.
 
Marmuzz said:
Keeps you warm down to what temps? Not looking to critique, just asking.
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I’ll throw my answer in as well since I basically did the same thing. Lowest I did this in was approx 17 degrees opening morning of rifle season here in WV
Merino base layer
Patagonia r1 grid fleece
Kelvin Lite Hoody
Sitka stratus as my shell
It warmed up around noon that week but each morning started off below 20. Not sure I could have done the entire day that way but 4+ hours was ok
 
Marmuzz said:
Keeps you warm down to what temps? Not looking to critique, just asking.
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For me yes I would say 27-32+ range with mild winds. That will handle almost all of my hunting in Alabama. We have a few days that drop to below that and that is where I use a typically use a heavier fleece and heavier puffer. If it is extra windy I will put the puffer on the outside as intended. The down doesn't get compressed and it is warmer. I just don't have a camo down jacket so I try to avoid that if I can.
 
Besides layering, having basically no clothes on hiking in the woods to my tree to prevent sweating has made a huge difference for me. That trapped moisture is what kills and chills!
 
@Maverick1 I read over that first document but I need to read it again. If you have a static layering system that works very well for you, it would be awesome if you could share.
 
Marmuzz said:
Keeps you warm down to what temps? Not looking to critique, just asking.
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With mid weight base layer, thin fleece, down vest, down jacket, thin windshirt, and a midweight jacket I can sit still down to 10 F no problem. I do put Hot Hands body warmers all over my base layer though.
 
raisins said:
With mid weight base layer, thin fleece, down vest, down jacket, thin windshirt, and a midweight jacket I can sit still down to 10 F no problem. I do put Hot Hands body warmers all over my base layer though.
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What are you calling a windshirt? Do you have an example?
 
gcr0003 said:
What are you calling a windshirt? Do you have an example?
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I'm actually excited to share this because I've been mentioning my love for these things for a while. I have several of these.


They have gone up in price. The one I linked is very well made. Any similar one will work, so long as it...ahem....breaks wind.

This is just a pullover windbreaker (not just for football coaches, golfers, and guys on a sail boat...anymore).

Like you, I walk in cold so I don't sweat. So, I don't want my outer layer to be windproof (aka a sweat box) unless it is crazy cold/windy.

I pack this thing in first (last to come out) in my compression sack with my layers (so I can put my layers on in order as they come out of the compression sack) It goes on over my insulating mid layers but under my outer jacket. I walk in most of the time with just a base layer and then a thin to mid weight jacket (that breathes). It has to be below freezing for me to deviate from that.
 
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raisins said:
I'm actually excited to share this because I've been mentioning my love for these things for a while. I have several of these.


They have gone up in price. The one I linked is very well made. Any similar one will work, so long as it...ahem....breaks wind.

This is just a pullover windbreaker (not just for football coaches, golfers, and guys on a sail boat...anymore).

Like you, I walk in cold so I don't sweat. So, I don't want my outer layer to be windproof (aka a sweat box) unless it is crazy cold/windy.

I pack this thing in first (last to come out) in my compression sack with my layers (so I can put my layers on in order as they come out of the compression sack) It goes on over my insulating mid layers but under my outer jacket. I walk in most of the time with just a base layer and then a thin to mid weight jacket (that breathes). It has to be below freezing for me to deviate from that.
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I have to say having a windbreaker layer helped me a lot this season, first time I utilized one in my layering system. I got permission to hunt on a bluff overlooking the water, and the wind was constant and cold. Just cutting out the wind made me that much warmer.
 
Cold temperatures and very low wind chill across most of the USA the next few days. Great time to go test out the cold weather gear. Get out a lawn chair or hang in the saddle from a tree in the backyard if available. Wear the same base layer, sit for a predetermined amount of time wearing different setups. Modify the variable (mid layer or outer layer.). First hand experience with clothing already owned will answer the question of which performs good, better, best. Consider asking local sporting good store if you can purchase clothing to test to compare to existing gear and return if necessary.
 
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