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bowhunterchuck

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I JUST SPOKE WITH NEW TRIBE AND ORDERED THE LONGER ROPE. THEY SUGGESTED ALL THE SAME THINGS YOU GUYS DID ABOUT COMFORT. I WILL BE TRYING SOME MORE ADJUSTING THIS WEEKEND. I HAVE ABOUT 4 HOURS INTO IT ALREADY BUT THIS WAS NOT ON A STRAIGHT TREE. WILL LET YOU KNOW HOW I MAKE OUT . THANKS,
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Keep us updated bowhunterchuck, we're here for you! Don't give up, it will be worth it! Where are you located? Maybe you are close to another member who can help you out?
 

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JUST WANTED TO PASS ALONG SOME COMFORT TIPS I HAVE PICKED UP. 2 WORDS......KNEE PADS ! WHAT A DIFFERENCE THEY MAKE ! ANOTHER ISSUE WAS PINCH POINTS ALONG THE WAIST AND HIPS. THE LONGER THE BRIDGE THE LESS PRESSURE IN THESE AREAS...BUT THE EASE OF MOVEMENT AROUND THE TREE GETS LIMITED. THE LONGER THE TREE STRAP THE EASE OF MOVEMENT GETS BETTER AND QUIETER BUT THE PINCH GETS WORSE. I FOUND THAT THE HIGHER I CAN GET THE TREE STRAP ON THE TREE THE BETTER EVERYTHING WORKS FOR ME. I ALSO LOOSENED THE WAIST STRAPS ONCE I GOT UP ON MY PLATFORM. THIS HELPED A LOT.
THANKS FOR ALL THE ADVICE AND ENCOURAGEMENT.
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bowhunterchuck said:
JUST WANTED TO PASS ALONG SOME COMFORT TIPS I HAVE PICKED UP. 2 WORDS......KNEE PADS ! WHAT A DIFFERENCE THEY MAKE ! ANOTHER ISSUE WAS PINCH POINTS ALONG THE WAIST AND HIPS. THE LONGER THE BRIDGE THE LESS PRESSURE IN THESE AREAS...BUT THE EASE OF MOVEMENT AROUND THE TREE GETS LIMITED. THE LONGER THE TREE STRAP THE EASE OF MOVEMENT GETS BETTER AND QUIETER BUT THE PINCH GETS WORSE. I FOUND THAT THE HIGHER I CAN GET THE TREE STRAP ON THE TREE THE BETTER EVERYTHING WORKS FOR ME. I ALSO LOOSENED THE WAIST STRAPS ONCE I GOT UP ON MY PLATFORM. THIS HELPED A LOT.
THANKS FOR ALL THE ADVICE AND ENCOURAGEMENT.
bowhunterchuck

I have found something similar. I am putting the tree strap pretty high. I have found a length for my rope bridge that I like and I haven't moved that since. Once I get setup I loosen up my waist strap because that puts too much pressure on my stomach if it is tight. I then tighten up the smaller sling cinch strap and this seems to help stabilize the saddle as I move around the tree.

I have really been finding the height of the tree strap affects the comfort. It seems like when you make all of your adjustments that they are optimal for a certain length tree strap. Depending on the tree my strap may hang from a slightly different height so after I settle into the saddle I do a final adjustment on the length on the tree strap to get to that optimal length. I am just finding this by "feel" but I am getting better at it and finding it quicker.
 

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John Eberhart said:
Mr. Boswell has done a phenomenal job with his video's in explaining how to use saddle and Aero harness systems and I would bet he does things with his harness systems when he hunts that he doesn't show on YouTube due to potential liability issues. Hands down, Mr. Boswell does the best job in a video of explaining how to use harness systems.

The question of how to hunt larger diameter trees is relatively basic. Buy a longer rope of the exact same diameter and swap it out. True, it will void the warranty and liability, but it is only one of two ways I know of to hunt larger diameter trees and I've played with and made many alterations to these things since 1981.

I have my system altered to the point I could hunt a flat wall if I could climb it. Tree diameters mean nothing, if I can climb it, I can hunt it.

When you run into a problem, sit down and think about a solution, and find a safe remedy to the problem. We would all still be driving model A's if everyone had been perfectly satisfied with their performance. To me, problem solving with harness systems to make them more comfortable and versatile has been a challenge over the years but has also been very gratifying as long as the end solution to the problem and product remained safe.

Alterations do void warranties and liability, however the limitations built into harness systems are just that, they are safety limitations that allow a company to insure the product for liability purposes.
I would be very interested hearing about your system. I hunt out west. Crooked trees and huge cottonwoods are the norm. Very few straight trees here. These huge cottonwoods are so big you can't even get your arms around them. Very difficult to hang a stand I have put extensions on my Lonewolfs just to hunt some of them and these are the small ones! Some are 3-5' in diameter, 10-16' in circumference. I have several remote areas that I can kayak into get away from pressure but the problem is the only available trees are WAY too big. It would take 2 people to get the strap around the tree. It also wouldn't quiet either. Not my idea of being stealthy! Anyway , I was thinking a guy could put in some hardened eyebolts and run strap thru them and hang from a saddle. It would be quick quiet and stealthy plus the weight reduction would also be a plus in the kayak. Any other suggestions? Also I'm an avid elk hunter. Sometime I find really great looking wallows 2-4 miles back in the hills that scream treestand. Problem is they are so far back that it takes a lot of effort just to hang one, on top of the effort it takes just to get to places like that. I was thinking I could just carry one with me all the time and then I could whenever or where I find such a spot.
 

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I'm sure John will have more insight for you but I have a couple of comments.

I have been thinking about doing something with an eyebolt like you stated as well and I don't see any reason it wouldn't work. Obviously the weight rating and making sure it is secure would be the 2 top priorities there.

If you haven't read any of John and his son Chris's books I strongly recommend them. Not only do they discuss their saddle techniques but they are a wealth of information on their consistently successful hunting methods.

I think the saddle would be a great option for your elk wallows.
 

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I HAVE USED THE EYE BOLT BEFORE ON A LARGE TREE.....REMEMBER TO PUT SOME TAPE OR SILENCING MATERIAL ON THE METAL TO METAL CONTACT POINT. THIS SYSTEM DID NOT GIVE ME THE RANGE OF MOVEMENT I WOULD LIKE BUT DID WORK. ALSO REMEMBER TO BRING SOMETHING TO TIGHTEN IT DOWN....THEY CAN BE HARD TO GET IN THE TREE !
 

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bowhunterchuck said:
I HAVE USED THE EYE BOLT BEFORE ON A LARGE TREE.....REMEMBER TO PUT SOME TAPE OR SILENCING MATERIAL ON THE METAL TO METAL CONTACT POINT. THIS SYSTEM DID NOT GIVE ME THE RANGE OF MOVEMENT I WOULD LIKE BUT DID WORK. ALSO REMEMBER TO BRING SOMETHING TO TIGHTEN IT DOWN....THEY CAN BE HARD TO GET IN THE TREE !
I was thinking about using a bowline. No metal to metal contact. I gotta get me one of these 1st so I can experiment. I have buddy who has a Trophyline, he said I could borrow it.
 

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I am using a short Tree Strap one wrap around the tree but running through the loop Twice.
I have found that I generally keep my Blake's Hitch all the way up at the tree.
Could change later but that's where I end up now.
I set the Strap up as high as I can reach.

In case any one is making their own Tree Strap...
I used Bluewater Assault 11mm Static Line (got it because it comes in Black and is very abrasion resistant and was at my local Climbing shop).

The DOWNSIDE is that it is very prone to slipping when it isn't weighted.
Doesn't slip at all when it is.

And I tried running it around the tree twice and it didn't help at all.
 

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I am using a custom strap myself. I like webbing better than rope.
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Would you mind starting a thread where you show the hardware/setup on your webbing Strap?
Webbing definitely sticks to the tree much easier.

I had rigged a strap using Climbing Slings but never figured out an easy way to make them adjustable unless you can trust a Daisy Chain to hold you.
 

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justsomedude said:
Would you mind starting a thread where you show the hardware/setup on your webbing Strap?
Webbing definitely sticks to the tree much easier.

I had rigged a strap using Climbing Slings but never figured out an easy way to make them adjustable unless you can trust a Daisy Chain to hold you.

I'll try to put the info together and start the thread tomorrow. I modeled it after the tree saddle tree strap. I need to find all the names of the hardware I ordered and I'll show how I put it together.
 

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justsomedude said:
Would you mind starting a thread where you show the hardware/setup on your webbing Strap?
Webbing definitely sticks to the tree much easier.

I had rigged a strap using Climbing Slings but never figured out an easy way to make them adjustable unless you can trust a Daisy Chain to hold you.

Ok, started a thread here in the improvements and customization section: http://www.saddlehunter.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=193&p=1315#p1315

Let me know what you think!
 

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Boudreaux said:
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I tried out my Aero Hunter Evolution from ground level on the smallest tree in my yard. The tree is 18" diameter at the point where I'm attaching; not an unusually large diameter for the trees I've hunted from with my Treesaddle.

It BARELY made it around the circumference of the tree. And that's with wrapping the safety strap only once around the tree, not twice.

Do I need to replace my safety strap with a longer piece of rope? Or am I doing something wrong?

Here is how I use the strap, this is a older video I did when I used the rope system with the TL. I have never had any issues with any tree being to big. Take a look and let me know what you think.

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Ok, that didn't work. Click here http://youtu.be/DzaLK_u7qH8?list=UUfsJL ... Wfb7JWO9gQ
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Boswell

This is the system I have been using for a while. It is by far my favorite and easily constructed with 10' of static and a few feet of 8mm cord.