Thanks for the update. I would buy twelve, but I just don't have it in me this year to make 12 daisy chains. So, I'll use my tree hopper steps one more year. I can't remove the tree hopper daisy chains from my tree hoppers due to how I have them tied in (overhand knots on each side to keep the step from sliding on the daisy chain....which got really tight after a year of use). I have 2 of the Pioneer steps I bought to check them out. I was impressed but I would chamfer the inside edges that could possibly touch the daisy chain or strap. I used a light sanding wheel on a dremel on one and it worked.