Speaking of the Darton 3800, I am pretty positive that the Lobo riser is the 3800 riser. Maybe the left overs that they are charging $1,300 for? The insert idea to add a pattern on the bow is sort of interesting, especially if it is rubber and helps silence the bow. I do not know if that will work out for them.
I will end up with the Ambush for sure. 4 to 5 pounds (2 pounds more) on my pack is not a concern of mine. My climber that was over 20 lbs was. I like the added room, Throw a versa strap on it and you are good to go. I just wish it landed closer to $225. I think that they would sell thousands of them at that price. Time will tell boys.
I haven't seen it officially, but I'm 99% sure it's a 3800 with their new cams and cables. I wouldn't pay retail, but I love my 3800 so much I'd consider one at 900 lol.