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nylon vs polyester webbing

tailgunner said:
i had the original trophy line made of nylon .it would stay wet all of second season in oregon wouldnt dry out even in 2 days.and would smell up the house like mold .i may have been hard on nylon saying it sucks .but i hate smelling mold
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I totally get it. Polyester definitely has its advantages. And the picture quality from Strapworks is amazing. I ordered some custom webbing and ribbon from them. They are great and I really like your camo pattern choices
 
Fl Canopy Stalker said:
Purchase a Juki LU 1508NH and you won’t even pay attention to the thickness lol
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I’d love a 1508. I have a Juki dnu-1541 and a pfaff 545 that are both very capable of sewing any thickness that’d be required for a saddle. I’ve sewn 11 layers of seatbelt webbing on the pfaff to see what it’s capable of. The big selling point of the 1508 to me would be larger bobbins. Bobbins go quick with 138 thread.


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sdoyle1 said:
I’d love a 1508. I have a Juki dnu-1541 and a pfaff 545 that are both very capable of sewing any thickness that’d be required for a saddle. I’ve sewn 11 layers of seatbelt webbing on the pfaff to see what it’s capable of. The big selling point of the 1508 to me would be larger bobbins. Bobbins go quick with 138 thread.


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Larger bobbins and the longer needle. You rarely have to adjust tension with the 1508 because the needle drives through some really thick stuff and the dual tensioning system is amazing
 
does anyone know what webbing most people are using for sewn aiders? I have some bluewater 1" tubular webbing from REI and wasn't sure if there was a better option or should I just go with that for making a sewn multistep aider.
 
Tubular webbing is great for aiders. Used them for years. Just make sure you use proper stitching and thread
 
thelefty41 said:
does anyone know what webbing most people are using for sewn aiders? I have some bluewater 1" tubular webbing from REI and wasn't sure if there was a better option or should I just go with that for making a sewn multistep aider.
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Tubular works great so does the thick nylon 1” from country brook.
 
I became a bit of a material snob over the past few years. I use Nylon as often as I can. But it’s the best quality nylon I can find. Polyester just doesn’t hold up well for me especially with briars and rough tree bark. Nylon is generally stronger and degrades at the same speed as polyester as long as you don’t leave it outside. That’s the point of polyester, it is more UV and water resistant. The fix for me was to not leave my saddle outside in the weather or sun for days. Using it in most hunting situations it should last just as long as polyester. Many ratchet straps are made of nylon and they live in the back of my truck under the worst conditions possible. And they still perform fine until they are noticeably compromised. So I concluded that a normal person would notice a nylon strap degrading well before a failure.
 
JCLINE84 said:
I became a bit of a material snob over the past few years. I use Nylon as often as I can. But it’s the best quality nylon I can find. Polyester just doesn’t hold up well for me especially with briars and rough tree bark. Nylon is generally stronger and degrades at the same speed as polyester as long as you don’t leave it outside. That’s the point of polyester, it is more UV and water resistant. The fix for me was to not leave my saddle outside in the weather or sun for days. Using it in most hunting situations it should last just as long as polyester. Many ratchet straps are made of nylon and they live in the back of my truck under the worst conditions possible. And they still perform fine until they are noticeably compromised. So I concluded that a normal person would notice a nylon strap degrading well before a failure.
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Exactly. A lot of people do not understand that nylon is in fact more abrasion resistant and stronger for its size. You use the 27265 mil spec class 7 (1a) for your transformer which is also resin treated which ups the strength and UV resistance if the nylon. It’s a great webbing and no one should leave any saddle outside or put it up wet anyway. Doing so will shorten the life of either material and jeopardize your life. Thank you for adding to this JCline84.
 
Fl Canopy Stalker said:
Exactly. A lot of people do not understand that nylon is in fact more abrasion resistant and stronger for its size. You use the 27265 mil spec class 7 (1a) for your transformer which is also resin treated which ups the strength and UV resistance if the nylon. It’s a great webbing and no one should leave any saddle outside or put it up wet anyway. Doing so will shorten the life of either material and jeopardize your life. Thank you for adding to this JCline84.
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Now that you mention it I don’t use polyester anywhere in the transformer. It’s all nylon except the thread. I didn’t really plan it that way but I used the best materials I could possibly get for each piece of webbing on that saddle and that turned out to be nylon in every application. I’m not opposed to polyester but it’s hard to get the right feel or function from a piece of polyester webbing for the applications I needed. Seat belt webbing is popular here but it doesn’t provide enough structure for what I was looking to achieve with the transformer.
 
every one uses nylon its all they know.i make my own saddles for a reason.im not leaving it out side .just hanging it to dry over a heater .not sure how to hang it up not wet.... if its wet... .nylon doesnt dry out fast enough to not mold up in between the straps that are sewn together.thats why thy dont use nylon thread anymore.it will look good on the out side but be rotten in the middle.however even with poly thread the webbing is what holds water.no matter how exspencive or quality it is.and rot probly isnt any better for poly thread.i take good care of my gear.have nylon and poly both to make a comparison. and the poly doesnt smell at all is dry the next day and years later still dont smell.in western OR.its hard to get your gear to dry out when hunting consecutive days in the rain.my nylon saddle stunk after 2 days.get it a little whet and it reaks.may not be an issue in other placess but just the humidity here will keep your gear wet for 8 months.had to stop thinking parachute gear and start thinking scubba gear.as far as briers western oregon jungle will shread a brand new danner rainforest boot to shreads in a day.the straps perform the same in that aspect.both products will out last me.but one will smell worse.love your work j.im not poo pooing any ones stuff or ideas.just stating that i have a reason for my opinion.webbed feet.maybe you offer a poly option in the future for wet weather guys.im sure you would knock it out the park
 
This is totally unrelated to saddles and just an observation.... Top is polyester, middle polyester, and bottom nylon. Are there different certification standards? Or maybe 1 company rates it lower because of legal reasons? All are essentially the same 2" strap but they have different weight rating. I made my stirrups out of poly because it is stiffer than the nylon and holds it's shape (stiffer) better. Just from a comfort standpoint the nylon is more pliable and would be more comfortable I would assume. And to be fair....my poly webbing stirrups will smell bad if I don't dry them out when they get wet...

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every thing will smell if you cant get it dry.my point is i can get poly to compleatly dry out over night.and cant get nylon to.when it comes to things that are almost the same but one out performs in wet weather .it wins where i live.a dinum jacket is good for most but out here they make stuff like sitka gear for a reason.in backpacking every one knows marino wool is a little warmer and superior than sintheticks but not when its wet.out here synthetics are mandatory.so as i stated at the begining of the thread ...unless there is a reason to not use poly .its what i use.you dont have to.i gave away that old trophy line saddle .couldnt sell it.did i mention its wet out here its raining right now
 
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tailgunner said:
every one uses nylon its all they know.i make my own saddles for a reason.im not leaving it out side .just hanging it to dry over a heater .not sure how to hang it up not wet.... if its wet... .nylon doesnt dry out fast enough to not mold up in between the straps that are sewn together.thats why thy dont use nylon thread anymore.it will look good on the out side but be rotten in the middle.however even with poly thread the webbing is what holds water.no matter how exspencive or quality it is.and rot probly isnt any better for poly thread.i take good care of my gear.have nylon and poly both to make a comparison. and the poly doesnt smell at all is dry the next day and years later still dont smell.in western OR.its hard to get your gear to dry out when hunting consecutive days in the rain.my nylon saddle stunk after 2 days.get it a little whet and it reaks.may not be an issue in other placess but just the humidity here will keep your gear wet for 8 months.had to stop thinking parachute gear and start thinking scubba gear.as far as briers western oregon jungle will shread a brand new danner rainforest boot to shreads in a day.the straps perform the same in that aspect.both products will out last me.but one will smell worse.love your work j.im not poo pooing any ones stuff or ideas.just stating that i have a reason for my opinion.webbed feet.maybe you offer a poly option in the future for wet weather guys.im sure you would knock it out the park
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For the record scuba gear is made out of neoprene rubber and the actual high strength dive belts are made out of nylon… since you think in terms of scuba and water related strapping
 
tailgunner said:
every thing will smell if you cant get it dry.my point is i can get poly to compleatly dry out over night.and cant get nylon to.when it comes to things that are almost the same but one out performs in wet weather .it wins where i live.a dinum jacket is good for most but out here they make stuff like sitka gear for a reason.in backpacking every one knows marino wool is a little warmer and superior than sintheticks but not when its wet.out here synthetics are mandatory.so as i stated at the begining of the thread ...unless there is a reason to not use poly .its what i use.you dont have to.i gave away that old trophy line saddle .couldnt sell it.did i mention its wet out here its raining right now
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Wmihunter said:
Merino wool is warmer if wet than synthetics downside is merino is not durable


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Merino doesn't stink either. You can take an Under Armor polyester shirt and wash it 3 times and put it on after a shower/deodorant and you'll still stink as soon as you get warm/break a sweat. Those bacteria live inside the fibers or something.
 
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