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One Stick, No Stick or Hand Climber

Flyerzfan10

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Ok, I have not tried any of the above but in reality all three are doing the same thing. You can go up a tree with a few branches the same way with all three. You're only carrying one item ( 1 stick, 1 platform or 1 LW hand climber) and they all seem like they can be done at the same speed.... actually maybe a little faster with the LW hand climber.. why choose one over the other??
 
In my opinion, it has something to do with what is the majority of trees you’re climbing. With 99% of the time climbing pine trees, I prefer the hand climber over the other two options, as it is easy, quick and gives you the hunting platform once you’re at height. You can get around a branch, but I usually stop the Hand climber there. Just don’t like to take it off an put it back on.... personal preference.
 
I had a LWHC and I really liked it even though most of the trees I was able to use it on were in areas that weren’t great for hunting. I sold it to fund other hunting toys, even though I didn’t really want to. Was one of those things where I enjoyed using it just because. I’m tempted to buy another just because I like them.

But since then I have gotten into saddle hunting and have been using climbing sticks. Recently I tried one sticking and was pleasantly surprised at how easy and how little effort it took. So decided to order 1 beast stick to go 1 sticking next season (I like nice things).

Moral of the story, I decided I like climbing systems that go up the tree with you. Maybe it’s just a cool factor. I don’t know. But I like all of the above for different but similar reasons. For portability and lighter weight to carry in, I will be 1 sticking. For really awkward trees I’ll be using the WE stepps. (I know not the theme of this thread). But I may also end up buying another LWHC just because I like them.


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Several years ago I had a LW hand climber in which the "arm" portion that the traction belt went into broke off of the seat portion while i was climbing a tree and was already about 20ft up. This was like 10 years ago before I got into saddle hunting so was just using it as intended as a climbing stand. Had I not had a harness on id be maimed or dead as I starkly remember the feeling of free falling backwards before the harness jerked me back into reality. Id not use a hand climber to support any weight or climb anything to be honest. Those metal square tubes attached to the seat portion with 1 grade 8 bolt just arent designed to support much weight consistently as it was that metal square tubing that sheared and broke not the bolt.
 
Several years ago I had a LW hand climber in which the "arm" portion that the traction belt went into broke off of the seat portion while i was climbing a tree and was already about 20ft up. This was like 10 years ago before I got into saddle hunting so was just using it as intended as a climbing stand. Had I not had a harness on id be maimed or dead as I starkly remember the feeling of free falling backwards before the harness jerked me back into reality. Id not use a hand climber to support any weight or climb anything to be honest. Those metal square tubes attached to the seat portion with 1 grade 8 bolt just arent designed to support much weight consistently as it was that metal square tubing that sheared and broke not the bolt.

Wow that’s scary. Never heard of anything like that happening before.


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I prefer a pivot style platform because they pack better than a LWHC.
 
I am leaning towards 1 stick this year.

I have seen a couple of these kind of posts about the LWHC. Scared me away from using it...

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Personal preference really. Maybe one is easier to pack in or lighter than the other. One stick climber myself but I'm about to experiment with a diy 8" stick so maybe there'll be a "half stick climbing" category soon. :tonguewink:
 
Personal preference really. Maybe one is easier to pack in or lighter than the other. One stick climber myself but I'm about to experiment with a diy 8" stick so maybe there'll be a "half stick climbing" category soon. :tonguewink:

I went the micro stick route & found it made more since to use the platform. But, I see potential in multi micro sticks as a climbing method. D50502E7-73FA-41DA-A75F-D7EB76137274.jpeg
 
Several years ago I had a LW hand climber in which the "arm" portion that the traction belt went into broke off of the seat portion while i was climbing a tree and was already about 20ft up. This was like 10 years ago before I got into saddle hunting so was just using it as intended as a climbing stand. Had I not had a harness on id be maimed or dead as I starkly remember the feeling of free falling backwards before the harness jerked me back into reality. Id not use a hand climber to support any weight or climb anything to be honest. Those metal square tubes attached to the seat portion with 1 grade 8 bolt just arent designed to support much weight consistently as it was that metal square tubing that sheared and broke not the bolt.
Man, good thing you were climbing with your harness on. I always used to climb to height then tie in to the tree.. Only time I climbed hooked up was when the tree was sketchy.. I've never used a Lone Wolf Climber. Do you use your forearms on the aluminum tubing to support yourself when you are lifting the bottom?
 
I don't think these three methods are currently anything like each other.

Using one stick (with or without aiders) is no different in concept than using multiple sticks, with one exception. When you're "hanging the next stick", your feet aren't on the "previous stick". That single thing seems to freak people out. Once you've gotten comfortable with that, or if you're comfortable with it from the beginning, carrying multiple sticks starts to feel sort of pointless. It has some nuance that may increase efficiency from one user to the next. But for the most part, you're just climbing the tree like you would with multiple sticks, but adding about 2 minutes total of hanging in your saddle with nothing besides the side of the tree under your feet.

Currently, using a platform folded up with aiders, or just aiders, has its warts. It may just be a matter of refining the technique, or some breakthrough that hasn't occurred yet. I can see the platform idea being similar to using one stick it if gets refined some. I don't see aiders only catching up to one stick climbing in speed/efficiency, especially when it comes to wonky trees. I could definitely be wrong. This is a large difference from one stick climbing in my opinion. Maybe that gap is closing. I like what @Peterk1234 is trying over there.

The hand climber method is wildly different in that you're attached to the climbing method at the furthest point of your body from your hands (the tips of your feet). If you're climbing a tree with no branches, and one that doesn't require you to adjust the belt, it's wonderful. I'd be willing to bet that those types of trees comprise less than half of what we WANT to climb as a group. If you're crossing branches, I can't imagine getting as efficient as doing it with one stick or multiple sticks, but i could again be wrong. There's also a considerable amount of complication with the piece of equipment in having it modified to work outside it's intended purpose. Again, could be a matter of refinement.

The way you climb up the tree gets conflated with what your butt is sitting in when you're up there. Everyone seems to come to this site with the idea that saddle hunting and some climbing method are one in the same. What's interesting is that all three of the climbing methods mentioned here would be safer, more comfortable, and easier not using a saddle at all - a rock climbing harness is much better suited to the task.

If forced to choose one of the three of those methods, it wouldn't be close for me - it would be one stick climbing. For me a 14-20" stick, and two step aider of any flavor makes the most sense. If I'm climbing more than 20', I'll rappel down.
 
I am leaning towards 1 stick this year.

I have seen a couple of these kind of posts about the LWHC. Scared me away from using it...

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For what it's worth as some people know I have the first LWHC modified with the nut and bolt. I have had zero issues. No cracks,bends or breaks and i weigh 205lbs with shorts and a T shirt. When i climb, i wear my loaded pack with bow on the back, which is more weight.....I think some people use their LWHC as a diving board!
 
This will be my first year saddle hunting. I plan on using an altered LWHC. I basically took the belt assembly from the Hand Climber and I'm in the process of welding a new base for it, I'm waiting for the proper aluminum fill rod to show up. It'll be slightly heavier than the cast platform, but it'll be stronger and built to my needs.
I have sticks, but I've usually hunted from a climber and feel safer hunting from them.
 
I’ve had a malfunction with the lone wolf hand climber from an improper “mod” but it doesn’t matter because you are tethered to the tree.

It is my preferred method of climbing but I come from a climbing stand background.
 
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