One Stick...Why rappel?

[Jokerswild]

So it fun.. its fast. Why not just climb down like you went up? Whole lot safer right? I suppose on a descent with branches the rappel my have an obvious advantage?

Working on my methods/protocols. Trying make my system as idiot proof as possible.

 

[ShooterMike]

I would argue that rappelling is safer than resetting a stick multiple times, so long as you’re using the right rappelling equipment. Just as SRT/DRT is safer than one-sticking. It’s a matter of picking the right tool for the right tree though.


Semper Fi,
Mike
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[trailblazer75]

Rappel is actually much safer. You’re tethered the entire time and there’s never slack in your line. One sticking down is hard because you’re working below your center of gravity. The safest way would be to get below your stick and move it down... by rappelling. lol.


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[SNIPERBBB]

Just a lot harder to do anything going downwards than when your going up. Much safer to rappel as theres nothing to really worry about going down as long as your equipment is good and someone didnt put some punji sticks below you when you werent looking

 

[Jokerswild]

So I am working with a rappel backed up with an autoblock, Prett dang solid. That just leaves me with the choice of climbing...hanging....and hunting on the same line. VS switching to a rappel/tether for climbing vs hunting(and limbs)

 

[ShooterMike]

So I am working with a rappel backed up with an autoblock, Prett dang solid. That just leaves me with the choice of climbing...hanging....and hunting on the same line. VS switching to a rappel/tether for climbing vs hunting(and limbs)

I stay on the same line. Changing to a tether introduces an opportunity for an error to be made. With SRT, depending on how high the rope is, I may add a tether at hunting height, but I still remain on the rappel line.


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Mike
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[LockStock&Arrow]

If you climb with one stick to the top of a tree, it becomes obvious fairly quickly which would be the best, safest, quickest way to return to the ground short of parachuting.

 

[ShooterMike]

When one-sticking with a rappel line I keep slack out while ascending buy using 3:1 mechanical advantage as I climb up the stick. Minimize slack as much as I possibly can, and it’s just easier. My saddle has an austri-alpine buckle which has a CT RollNLock attached as a backup.

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Mike
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[mattsteg]

I stay on the same line. Changing to a tether introduces an opportunity for an error to be made. With SRT, depending on how high the rope is, I may add a tether at hunting height, but I still remain on the rappel line.


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Mike
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I haven't tried it, but the concept of an OCB strap hooked around the tree to change the effective height of an SRT tether has occurred to me.

 

[ShooterMike]

I haven't tried it, but the concept of an OCB strap hooked around the tree to change the effective height of an SRT tether has occurred to me.

That’s a great thought too!


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[sdoyle1]

I one sticked down once in a practice climb. I’ll never do it again unless its an absolute necessity. Rappeling is much safer in my opinion. It’s also faster and easier which are just added benefits.


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[kyler1945]

I found descending with one stick to be no more difficult or time consuming than ascending with one stick.

but rappelling is faster and less difficult.

no one telling you what to do. Do what you prefer.

 

[iamcorey]

I found descending with one stick to be no more difficult or time consuming than ascending with one stick.

but rappelling is faster and less difficult.

no one telling you what to do. Do what you prefer.

Same. Added benefit is less stuff to carry and pack out. Also no retrieving your rappel line which is a big plus in my book. Also the reason I prefer the cam buckle after trying other attachments. Just loosen and slide it down a little.


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[LockStock&Arrow]

I would love to see a video of the most efficient 1-sticker we have with full equipment complete a relatively fast, efficient , and smooth 1-stick down the tree after hours of sitting for a hunt comparable to 1 sticking up the tree at the beginning during the same hunt.

Additionally, a video of someone who has used their safeguard to repel less than 5 times. I would love to compare these two videos.

 

[iamcorey]

I would love to see a video of the most efficient 1-sticker we have with full equipment complete a relatively fast, efficient , and smooth 1-stick down the tree after hours of sitting for a hunt comparable to 1 sticking up the tree at the beginning during the same hunt.

Additionally, a video of someone who has used their safeguard to repel less than 5 times. I would love to compare these two videos.

What do you mean by full equipment?


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[mattsteg]

What do you mean by full equipment?


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Probably whatever they want/need to do it.

 

[Chickenhawk]

When I first started one sticking, up and down, I hunted in an ice storm. Needless to stay it started after I was at hunting height. The climb down on a tree covered in ice was a nightmare!
Never one sticked down again. I now have 40' of Oplux. And I agree, much safer.

 

[mattsteg]

When I first started one sticking, up and down, I hunted in an ice storm. Needless to stay it started after I was at hunting height. The climb down on a tree covered in ice was a nightmare!
Never one sticked down again. I now have 40' of Oplux. And I agree, much safer.

Whether the weather/conditions change - or you change (e.g. you get cold, are compromised by an adrenaline dump, etc) - you want a method of getting out of the tree that you can safely snd consistently execute at your worst.

I feel like I've pulled enough stupidly risky descents (especially given my longstanding dedication to climbing into awkward positions), that starting to carry rappel gear and hunting hooked up to it is a sensible manuever.

 

[Chickenhawk]

I hear

Whether the weather/conditions change - or you change (e.g. you get cold, are compromised by an adrenaline dump, etc) - you want a method of getting out of the tree that you can safely snd consistently execute at your worst.

I feel like I've pulled enough stupidly risky descents (especially given my longstanding dedication to climbing into awkward positions), that starting to carry rappel gear and hunting hooked up to it is a sensible manuever.

I hear ya

 

[always89y]

While there is no arguing that Rappel is much safer, I have gone back to climbing down (Im 2 tether climbing, not 1 stick.) For me, its plenty safe, and im not carrying all of that rappel gear. Ive gotten really good at it, branches or not. This year, I have gone strickly to 2 tether climbing and decending, and I dont think im going to go back. I hate managing the rope, coiling it, stuffing it into a water bottle holder, or wrapping it to fit into a rappel bag. I love the simplicity of carrying in a fanny pack with essentials, and nothing else.

Heres another point. I was using OPLUX with the Safeguard. One thing that made my butt pucker is the silver "lip" that retains the rope tends to let the OPLUX slip past. I dont think it is an issue, but it made me nervous.