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[Plebe]

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Great big ole stars in these boys’ eyes…

And, to the question they raise..."whether the (alleged) decreased crippling rate and increased recovery rate of deer shot
with drug-treated arrows adequately compensates for any undesirable aspects of using these arrows"...

 

[rhagenw]

Off to a great start:

"42 of 88 deer were shot by the authors"

Makes it hard to trust the article.

 

[gcr0003]

And, to the question they raise..."whether the (alleged) decreased crippling rate and increased recovery rate of deer shot
with drug-treated arrows adequately compensates for any undesirable aspects of using these arrows"
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I had fun for a few months creeping in an out of the woods without a headlamp on, but after reading on here maybe @boyne bowhunter said he makes sure to have his headlamp on walking to his tree stand because of other hunters I reconsidered. Even though I primarily hunt a bow only area I do not trust the general public land hunters to not shoot me before first light or otherwise. So I am back to walking in with my headlamp on until I reach the safety of a tree. If that messes up the deer, so be it.

 

[Reagan H.]

There are some more articles from that journal I will post tomorrow, I think 4 others but I haven’t read those.

 

[Nutterbuster]

And, to the question they raise..."whether the (alleged) decreased crippling rate and increased recovery rate of deer shot
with drug-treated arrows adequately compensates for any undesirable aspects of using these arrows"...
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That reminds me of another clickbait disagreeable meanie-head thread:

"A Slow, Deliberate, Emotionless, Open Conversation" About Hunting Accidents

Let's keep it to exactly what's described. I'll start with 5 years worth of Hunting Incident Reports published annually by the Alabama Department of Conservation and Natural Resources. Sources...

saddlehunter.com

 

[deerfly]

I didn't see a "no f'ing way" option or I would have chose that.

 

[kyler1945]

I had fun for a few months creeping in an out of the woods without a headlamp on, but after reading on here maybe @boyne bowhunter said he makes sure to have his headlamp on walking to his tree stand because of other hunters I reconsidered. Even though I primarily hunt a bow only area I do not trust the general public land hunters to not shoot me before first light or otherwise. So I am back to walking in with my headlamp on until I reach the safety of a tree. If that messes up the deer, so be it.

I can put your mind at ease.

Reasons your deer hunting won’t be worse using a headlamp:

deer lose almost all sense of fear of humans at night. I’m sure the degree to which this happens is location specific. But it’s a thing, nonetheless.

Deer don’t run away from lights. They run away when they see a light, and attach it to human scent.

You don’t break your ankle.

You don’t get a stick in your eye.

You make less noise walking in.

You’re faster walking in.

You’re faster and quieter setting up.

You can take a view of what you’d see from tree and shooting lanes before fully committing to setting up.

You don’t get shot by someone.



Reasons to walk through the woods at night without a headlamp:

I need help for this one. Anyone?

 

[Weldabeast]

I recently heard that deer can see the sun glint off a broadhead at over 100yds so obviously every deer within a 3-4 mile radius will see a headlamp and avoid the area u hunting....

Land owners less likely to see u sneaking in and call the cops

A headlamp combined with the glow of the UV rays off ur camo literally make u a disco ball

It's an essential part of woodsmenship that our ancestors knew....

I can probably come up with some others

 

[gcr0003]

I can put your mind at ease.

Reasons your deer hunting won’t be worse using a headlamp:

deer lose almost all sense of fear of humans at night. I’m sure the degree to which this happens is location specific. But it’s a thing, nonetheless.

Deer don’t run away from lights. They run away when they see a light, and attach it to human scent.

You don’t break your ankle.

You don’t get a stick in your eye.

You make less noise walking in.

You’re faster walking in.

You’re faster and quieter setting up.

You can take a view of what you’d see from tree and shooting lanes before fully committing to setting up.

You don’t get shot by someone.



Reasons to walk through the woods at night without a headlamp:

I need help for this one. Anyone?

I was working on my night hearing

 

[Plebe]

That reminds me of another clickbait disagreeable meanie-head thread:

"A Slow, Deliberate, Emotionless, Open Conversation" About Hunting Accidents

Let's keep it to exactly what's described. I'll start with 5 years worth of Hunting Incident Reports published annually by the Alabama Department of Conservation and Natural Resources. Sources...

saddlehunter.com

Bowhunter impaled by another hunter's lost arrow, rescued by helicopter in Colorado

A lone archery hunter's life was likely saved by his rescue beacon after he was badly injured by an arrow in a remote section of wilderness.

www.cbsnews.com

Thankfully, Anectine may undergo loss of potency if not refrigerated, after 14 days.

 

[MNFarmHunter]

I recently heard that deer can see the sun glint off a broadhead at over 100yds so obviously every deer within a 3-4 mile radius will see a headlamp and avoid the area u hunting....

Land owners less likely to see u sneaking in and call the cops

A headlamp combined with the glow of the UV rays off ur camo literally make u a disco ball

It's an essential part of woodsmenship that our ancestors knew....

I can probably come up with some others

Exactly. It’s 50% luck and 50% instinct.

I’ve had deer bust me at 100y and still walk into shooting range to figure out what I am…and even then walk away confused.

If you look or act like a threat, you are a threat.


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[Nutterbuster]

Reasons to walk through the woods at night without a headlamp:

I need help for this one. Anyone?

John Eberhart says he doesn't. Duh

 

[Weldabeast]

I'm glad it's getting fun around here again....it's so boring during hunting season

 

[gcr0003]

...it's so boring during hunting season

Said no one ever

 

[Jammintree]

I’d never heard of these before this post. Thanks for sharing.

 

[colin.704]

here's a thought. I would be in favor of this if we started using small, breakaway arrows like aborigines use. I don't like wounding deer and them being gashed up by a 2in broadhead. I would prefer them to be ok if I didn't kill them (lol I really haven't put much thought in this, I haven't even had my coffee yet)

 

[BTaylor]

Reasons to walk through the woods at night without a headlamp:

I need help for this one. Anyone?

I am NINJA.
I need to break this fear of the dark.
Have you done seent what they're asking fer a pack of battrees?
I aint gettin off this wheeler road before daylight no ways, so why I need a light?

 

[Jammintree]

It seems to me that pods are just another silver bullet that I personally have no use for.

However, if they really do all that their proponents claim, Wildlife management agencies will adamantly promote them. Deer overpopulation concerns will be vastly mitigated, Buck tags will become increasingly hard to get and trophy bucks will become even more rare.

Following these kinds of discussions is a
Fascinating way to observe how other people approach and respond to new information. I’m reminded That the best thing I can do is practice, scout, maintain my Equiptment and spend as much time as I can to create great shot opportunities. And what I need to avoid is a garage with $10,000 worth of hunting gadgets and no time to use them.

Here’s an interesting read that has some overlap with some of the issues being discussed:

Deer Wars and Death Threats

A small subset of wild animals thrive alongside humans. An unusual—and polarizing—set of conservation projects have sprung up in response.

www.newyorker.com

 

[HuumanCreed]

Hmm....would my submission to the annual contest be valid if I was wearing a saddle from my couch, remotely controlling a drone equipped with a dart gun that fire a dart with both pod and tracking chip? What about if I was in a tree next to a fenced in deer farm (with permission from owner of course)?

A someone who is actively de-evolving when it comes to hunting technology. As in starting out from a Redneck elevated blind on a lease with a 30-06, to the goal of one day using a longbow on public land. The argument of lethality=ethic is something that I don't have a good argument against but choice to follow my own path. The decision I'm making is not logical nor can it be supported by facts, I will admit this. I have spend a lot of money these last few years and only have one doe in the freezer to show for it. But if you asked me if I regret the journey, the answer is no, loved every day out in the woods. I would of had more deer harvested if I used a crossbow and gun hunt, I'm 100% sure of that.

So I will say this. I accept that pod are effective. If some of the people here, who I respect tremendously, are saying that it does not affect the meat, I believe them. But I don't think I'll ever use them personally or vote/support the use of them because:

1.) I do think they would encourage bad shot placement (you can argue that there IS no bad shot placement for pod, which is the point of pod) that go against one of the principle of aiming 'aim small, miss small'.

2.) That you are disregarding the spirit of bow hunting (with all due respect to Mr. Bear and other historical hunting groups that use poison), that you are trying to reach a purer passion away from technology in today's world of ever advancing tech. Again, if you want efficiency, go crossbow or gun.

3.) I think we would be opening a whole can of worms that we might never be able to close. Instead of best broad head designs, it would be best pod cocktail mixtures. Where people will try different ratios of different chemicals, which mean the government would step in to regulate what is legal. So far I don't think the ATF regulate what boardhead you can use, but they will for SURE regulate what type of pod we can use if pod became wide spread. The FDA would want a piece of the action too probably. I am strongly against hormone supplements for deer, I think its beyond natural and those 30 points antlers look deformed.

4.) I don't think we can ever win the public over. Simple as that.

 

[Reagan H.]

Incoming research article published in 1982, with elk as the reference for the study.

Edit: This was not including broadheads, simply tranquilizing darts. But at this point it is the same compound that was used in the previous study, but doesn't involve a device used for the specific purpose of killing an animal.