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Predator First Impression

Exhibits A,B,C, and D of why I brought up what I brought up. I don't think someone will die - if they do they weren't climbing properly to begin with. But if you can't understand why overbuilding things, and providing clear instructions on how to use things, and to consider generally accepted or practiced "wrong" ways to use things, you're missing the mark in my opinion.

We've got: Admittedly not reading instructions, I break things no matter what if they aren't overbuilt, how much pressure can you apply?, someone thinking the instructions said pull with 50lbs.

And this is on a forum dedicated to this sport...

My comment about not reading the instructions was mostly a joke. I had watched G2's video and skimmed the instructions to see if there was anything additional. Also, the confusion about 50lbs of pressure came from your post:

if it doesn't cam over with 50lbs of pressure or less, pick up some and relieve pressure, until it cams over"

You seem to have gotten really defensive from the one jack*** arguing with you, who red has probably deservedly banned by now . The vast majority of people here appreciate your post. However, Your repeated posts make the platform seem fragile and that isn't my experience. I have repeatedly put more pressure on the platform than you stated you did when it broke. And my wife can attest that I am one of the most safety conscious people out there as she constantly tells me to "stop worrying about things. And this platform doesn't worry me. I understand you lost confidence in the platform because it broke on you. I probably would be upset also but, please don't attempt to discredit my opinion because it is different than yours. I haven't done that to you.
 
Just reading through all the reviews, obviously there are positives and negatives to all products. Especially new to market, no matter how many field testers you have, once it hits the market you will find out the bottom line truth concerns. Mass producing comes with some growing pains. The 2 breakages seem to be in the same location and both happened on the camming? So the teeth bite is so much and the strap is so tight that something has to give if its too tight and it is that section of the platform? But has anyone broken a predator from shooting/playing with it once it is cammed over?

Another thought is that I never understand why anyone is worried about adding camo to the top of the platform? For your eyes only ... I guess it looks cool when you look down. The camo should go on the bottom for the deer eyes, no? Anyway Once school starts and paychecks start to roll in I am buying one.

I like the size, weight is not really a concern of mine, so I would like to see a beefier one in the future. In the meantime has anyone thought of a way to add support to this section of the platform, like a sleeve so to speak? My mind doesnt work this way but it seems like there may be a way to beef up that section?
 
My comment about not reading the instructions was mostly a joke. I had watched G2's video and skimmed the instructions to see if there was anything additional. Also, the confusion about 50lbs of pressure came from your post:



You seem to have gotten really defensive from the one jack*** arguing with you, who red has probably deservedly banned by now . The vast majority of people here appreciate your post. However, Your repeated posts make the platform seem fragile and that isn't my experience. I have repeatedly put more pressure on the platform than you stated you did when it broke. And my wife can attest that I am one of the most safety conscious people out there as she constantly tells me to "stop worrying about things. And this platform doesn't worry me. I understand you lost confidence in the platform because it broke on you. I probably would be upset also but, please don't attempt to discredit my opinion because it is different than yours. I haven't done that to you.


I'm not discrediting your opinion. I value it. And I know you're "mostly" joking. Because you assume you know enough about this type of hunting, and platforms, that generally you can use it without breaking it or getting hurt. My entire point is just that - the spectrum of what people "know" and what's "generally accepted or ok or right" in this little niche is still pretty wide. I value your opinion, and your life. I'm not discrediting anyone. I'm hoping people who are jumping on this bandwagon with no experience, or with a bunch of experience treating the process of putting most platforms in this industry on a tree with a little more force, will read it, and before they take it out to hunt, consider what I said, and not destroy their platform or get hurt.

I'm not defensive, and I promise I don't mind if you or anyone else likes it or not whether I hunt with that tool. All I care about is that the momentum of a new product release doesn't cloud people's perspective and judgment - and that results in someone getting hurt, or a company who's success means better hunting for me, fails. I have not spoken in generalities. I have offered a detailed account of my experience, as well as trying to provoke thought on some "what ifs" that aren't just one in a billion coincidences.

I am sorry if you think that my post was in any way belittling you. I promise it is the opposite - I'm aware of how easy it is to misread instructions, not read instructions, misread a post that clearly was aimed at getting clear instructions - and somehow read it BEING instructions, to always overtorque or overpressure things(guilty as charged here, I simply cannot manage gear that takes finesse, and that's on me), etc. I'm also aware that there are people who are going to buy the equipment and not get on this site and learn about how to do things "right".

I have a couple of opinions - one is that I don't think it's the best idea to build a product that doesn't take all of those things into enough consideration. The other is that I really wanted this thing to be just right for me, and it wasn't. The thing that made it so I described with facts. I also made it very clear I did not think people shouldn't buy it or cancel an order - in fact I feel the complete opposite. I'm one guy. I had one experience. The company, and our community, can't figure out whether we have a winner on our hands, or how to tweak or fix a product, without feedback. They need you all trying them and giving that feedback, good or bad.

I don't think the platform is "fragile" because fragile can't be quantified. I had no issues standing on top of the platform. I don't think it will break. I also don't think that if the failure I experienced happened at height, I would get hurt - because I can manage the process of climbing responsibly, and because, as Ernie stated, the platform just turns into a seat. But I'm not everyone. What I can quantify is that I can take my platform, and put it on the tree according to the instructions provided, the repeated posts and videos and information provided, and with less than my body weight, break the platform. The tune has changed around here, but again - not everyone will get on this site.

For me - that is not strong enough to hunt with. It's got a little to do with safety, and a lot to do with wanting to know I can rely on my equipment when I'm 1000 miles from home and 2 miles from another option when I'm on precious time.

I offered opinion as well on what I'd like to see done to improve - a little overbuilding to eliminate those types of failures. My opinion on that is to get what I want, for sure, but also because I think it's the right business decision. It's not my business what they do with their Business, but the last time I checked, that's kind of the point of the forum - it's a feedback loop.

I'm sorry if I offended you. I'm sorry if what I am saying doesn't feel good to read. I'll leave you guys with this - the perspective of the one fish swimming against the tide is often quite valuable.
 
Guys this is not rocket science -please don't over complicate this. Put the platform on the tree, lift the belt up until it is parallel, tighten it as tight as you can, lift up the platform, retighten it, push down on the post, then push down on the platform while ensuring the post don't rise up. That's all there is to it. it really is not hard to do.
Definitely not rocket science! But you should wait till you actually have a platform and try it before giving advice on how to use it. It is physically impossible to make the post rise up while camming it over, no matter how hard you try. The post gets pulled down by the platform while camming it, and depending on a bunch of factors, they dictate how much force is needed to do so.
 
I'm not discrediting your opinion. I value it. And I know you're "mostly" joking. Because you assume you know enough about this type of hunting, and platforms, that generally you can use it without breaking it or getting hurt. My entire point is just that - the spectrum of what people "know" and what's "generally accepted or ok or right" in this little niche is still pretty wide. I value your opinion, and your life. I'm not discrediting anyone. I'm hoping people who are jumping on this bandwagon with no experience, or with a bunch of experience treating the process of putting most platforms in this industry on a tree with a little more force, will read it, and before they take it out to hunt, consider what I said, and not destroy their platform or get hurt.

I'm not defensive, and I promise I don't mind if you or anyone else likes it or not whether I hunt with that tool. All I care about is that the momentum of a new product release doesn't cloud people's perspective and judgment - and that results in someone getting hurt, or a company who's success means better hunting for me, fails. I have not spoken in generalities. I have offered a detailed account of my experience, as well as trying to provoke thought on some "what ifs" that aren't just one in a billion coincidences.

I am sorry if you think that my post was in any way belittling you. I promise it is the opposite - I'm aware of how easy it is to misread instructions, not read instructions, misread a post that clearly was aimed at getting clear instructions - and somehow read it BEING instructions, to always overtorque or overpressure things(guilty as charged here, I simply cannot manage gear that takes finesse, and that's on me), etc. I'm also aware that there are people who are going to buy the equipment and not get on this site and learn about how to do things "right".

I have a couple of opinions - one is that I don't think it's the best idea to build a product that doesn't take all of those things into enough consideration. The other is that I really wanted this thing to be just right for me, and it wasn't. The thing that made it so I described with facts. I also made it very clear I did not think people shouldn't buy it or cancel an order - in fact I feel the complete opposite. I'm one guy. I had one experience. The company, and our community, can't figure out whether we have a winner on our hands, or how to tweak or fix a product, without feedback. They need you all trying them and giving that feedback, good or bad.

I don't think the platform is "fragile" because fragile can't be quantified. I had no issues standing on top of the platform. I don't think it will break. I also don't think that if the failure I experienced happened at height, I would get hurt - because I can manage the process of climbing responsibly, and because, as Ernie stated, the platform just turns into a seat. But I'm not everyone. What I can quantify is that I can take my platform, and put it on the tree according to the instructions provided, the repeated posts and videos and information provided, and with less than my body weight, break the platform. The tune has changed around here, but again - not everyone will get on this site.

For me - that is not strong enough to hunt with. It's got a little to do with safety, and a lot to do with wanting to know I can rely on my equipment when I'm 1000 miles from home and 2 miles from another option when I'm on precious time.

I offered opinion as well on what I'd like to see done to improve - a little overbuilding to eliminate those types of failures. My opinion on that is to get what I want, for sure, but also because I think it's the right business decision. It's not my business what they do with their Business, but the last time I checked, that's kind of the point of the forum - it's a feedback loop.

I'm sorry if I offended you. I'm sorry if what I am saying doesn't feel good to read. I'll leave you guys with this - the perspective of the one fish swimming against the tide is often quite valuable.

We appreciate your insight and I guarantee you the feedback provided by you and everyone else will help and make future versions better.
 
Guys this is not rocket science -please don't over complicate this. Put the platform on the tree, lift the belt up until it is parallel, tighten it as tight as you can, lift up the platform, retighten it, push down on the post, then push down on the platform while ensuring the post don't rise up. That's all there is to it. it really is not hard to do.

Thanks Dave i have been reading all this an was saying the same thing!! Should be as easy as it looks!!
 
Well im already a in for a whole setup and an additional predator. Future versions i got the money and Tethrd will have my business. Lol now if tomorrow can just get here so my predator can arrive. Im dying to play!! I feel like a kid outside the playground watching y’all having all this fun!!!
 
Greg said not to toe hook but......
 

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So its here. Ill be honest i did not read the instructions but only because i have seen the video and have experience with platforms like this. First off we all know this is ridiculously light. I had one of the very first platforms made by @Erniepower and this thing is well beyond those as far as weight goes.

Secondly setup is a no brainer literally its so simple. Camming it over also not that hard watch the video on @g2outdoors channel and do the same thing. Seriously thats it. The force required to cam it over i never felt compromised the platforms strength.

Third I weigh 215lbs bare you know what. Add boots, clothes (optional lol) and gear this thing is more than solid. Honestly for as small compared to other platforms like the xop i was initially worried because it looks so dang small but do not worry it holds like its part of the tree.

Lastly heed the warnings do not bounce on it its a platform and actions should be stepping onto and on it. Treat it like a bounce house and you will break it like they said. I did not try this but my experience tells me that is likely to happen if you mistreat it.

As far as mods go the buckle is the only real concern for noise right now so that will need to be silenced asap. A paint job just to eliminate any possibility of shine will also be in order. The strap is solid as well nice stitching with lots of reinforcement stitching and the green is a nice shade.

From my vast years in the saddle this is by far the best platform outside of the ameristeps which i will still use from time to time “now”. Overall and I have said it before that this platform and soon to be seen mantis saddle are incredibly designed to be the next generation of saddle gear. Anyone entering into saddlehunting at this stage literally has it easier than some of us who have had to mod and diy all those years.

Tethrd thank you and the Tethrd team thank you!! Alot of hardwork and designs have led up to this point and you all should be proud. Alot of moving parts this all takes especially the going into business part. I was onboard since day 1 and anyone who has not jumped should.

For all you yet to convert or those that are seeing it for the first time cross over and join the Tethrd Nation taking saddlehunting to a whole new level. Be part of the evolution or get left behind!!!!

BTW I ordered a second earlier this week lol so glad i did!!
 
Welp, I never got around to lubing up the creaking hardware. I slapped platform on the tree to do some testing on my new treesuit. Just when I had the highest of highs thinking I have a new comfortable simple way to hook it up, I got brought back down to earth.

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Note: No toe hooking was done during the camming of this platform. I simply strapped on tree, folded platform up, tightened strap, pushed down with both hands to get in place, opened about 45 degrees until the teeth started to bite good. I grabbed the tether and stepped onto the platform to finish camming into place and it felt like when you bite into a rice krispy treat. I would say that only about 3/4 of my 185 pounds was on the platform when it gave out.

My concerns have been borne out. Stepps and the Assassin this year for me.

Please be careful folks...

The exact same thing happened to mine yesterday except on the other side of the platform. I was using nowhere near enough pressure to break it like it did. One pop and it was done. The platform needs to be beefed up in that area. I contacted Tethrd and waiting for a reply.




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The exact same thing happened to mine yesterday except on the other side of the platform. I was using nowhere near enough pressure to break it like it did. One pop and it was done. The platform needs to be beefed up in that area. I contacted Tethrd and waiting for a reply.




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Any response? I'm a big guy (240 lbs.) and I'm not the nimblest of forest creatures. I really don't think I'll make out well if mine breaks and I go for a ride.
 
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