Holy cow you really did mean custom. Thats awesome. So I think I am gonna go with more cam straps. The Ones I ordered from Bullman are grey color. Killin me for no real reason. From strap works I would need to order 1” mil spec polyester with the black plated cam buckle? Not sure what the different buckles are.
-
The SH Membership has gone live. Only SH Members have access to post in the classifieds. All members can view the classifieds. Starting in 2020 only SH Members will be admitted to the annual hunting contest. Current members will need to follow these steps to upgrade: 1. Click on your username 2. Click on Account upgrades 3. Choose SH Member and purchase.
-
We've been working hard the past few weeks to come up with some big changes to our vendor policies to meet the changing needs of our community. Please see the new vendor rules here: Vendor Access Area Rules
Preferred Strap for Pioneer Step
- Thread starter Aeds151
- Start date
- Joined
- Jan 17, 2019
- Messages
- 6,284
are the steps piled together in the pocket or do you have a way to keep them separate?
i'm asking because i'd like to find a method to keep the steps unwrapped with tape and also isolated so they don't clang together
once i get one out, i'm not worried about noise because i'm careful at that point and never bang anything and don't have any metal nearby....but a bag of metals steps that aren't separated are always loud if fishing around
tailgunner
Well-Known Member
I have been using their utility grade webbing with stainless cams.the mil spec.makes a zipping sound in the buckle,and the picture quality is so smooth it squeeks when its wet and slides.the tubular is nice when you want somthing soft like leg straps or a more rope like material that can tie and untie easier.the other three work wel when you need something to bind up.they make elasic in the same camo colors.
tailgunner
Well-Known Member
My custom treebark Code is jm1.ooo1treebakcamo and then the width of strap.i think you have to Email the business departent for custom colors but the price will be the same as their other camo straps.the desighn department has already been payed for the custom work
tailgunner
Well-Known Member
tailgunner
Well-Known Member
tailgunner
Well-Known Member
Work overtime
Last edited:
tailgunner
Well-Known Member
Even easyer to just go to jail and let taxpayers feed you.......the easy way out
A guy no longer even has to go to jail to have that happen now days.
All ABOARD!!!
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
tailgunner
Well-Known Member
black buckle.for a few years my go to have been these linal buckles.they havnt failed me in ways other steel buckles have.if you can sew your own its easy to find these.
tailgunner
Well-Known Member
@Aeds151 , before you pull the trigger and buy a bunch of cam buckles, have you tried them with pioneer steps? Check out this thread:
Most find that cam buckles do not get squirrel steps/pioneer steps tight enough to climb. Before you buy a bunch of cam straps highly recommend you try a cam buckle with a pioneer step on a few different trees with different bark types. I tried it and it didn't work for me, although I really wanted it to. OCB gets tight enough but like you note, they can pop off easily which can be sketch. Still, OCB is the best I tried. I never found a great solution, sad to say.
Squirrel Steps With Cam Buckle
Ok, here’s something I want to try. Cam buckle strap, but instead of the webbing being sewn to the cam buckle, sew a flat hook onto the webbing and hook it to the cam buckle. That way you have the webbing threaded through the buckle permanently. I’m sure that I’m not the first person to try...
saddlehunter.com
Most find that cam buckles do not get squirrel steps/pioneer steps tight enough to climb. Before you buy a bunch of cam straps highly recommend you try a cam buckle with a pioneer step on a few different trees with different bark types. I tried it and it didn't work for me, although I really wanted it to. OCB gets tight enough but like you note, they can pop off easily which can be sketch. Still, OCB is the best I tried. I never found a great solution, sad to say.
Thanks for chiming in. I actually have 12 pioneer steps set up with the cam straps that came with them currently for a hang on/preset in a cedar tree on private. I climbed for a while yesterday setting it and practicing with my new step deck bucket. I feel like for a climbing method, the cam buckles absolutely gets them tight enough and I am prob 260lbs with jx3 on and they are pretty easy
And less bulk than ocb/hook. My slipping problem was more with my linemans rope not grabbing the eastern read cedar i was in as i flipped it up. I am still leaning towards the 12 cam straps with camo And black buckle from strap works but $120 for straps. With more experience, I am starting to think that climbing with these steps are going to be too noisy. Not only do the straps squeak under pressure but there is a certain noise that is made as you move up to the next step. Something with how you have to kind of hook leg on tree or slide boot down against tree into step or something. I have noticed it in all of the pioneer/squirrel step videos as well. I think it makes the body have too much contact with tree.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
tailgunner
Well-Known Member
Realy smooth straps squeek especialy when wet.and dont grab bark to well
Any thoughts on having a bunch of step straps holding scent while either dangling in the wind or just wrapped around tree from bottom to top. Looking at my preset, I could see having 12 straps putting out a lot of scent from the hands. Could be an issue in areas deer less encounter human. Unlike my preset for my urban hunt starting tomorrow.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
- Joined
- Jan 17, 2019
- Messages
- 6,284
eh....unless you are washing your boots, all clothes (which is actually feasible), backpack, and sticks/platform/etc....then I wouldn't pin point those straps EXCEPT for the fact that those straps are at a lower level on the tree and therefore any scent on them doesn't benefit as much from any uplift of wind (thermals or otherwise)
if it really bothered me, i would consider 2 sets of straps (maybe 2 sets of steps and straps) and then have one dry and ready to rock and one being washed/drying and rotate
that's maybe one more advantage of the amsteel attachment i use....the dyneema that amsteel is made of is relatively inert (that's why even strong solvents don't affect it much).....my gut says that if gasoline has a hard time forming a chemical bond with it so as to destroy it....then human scent is less likely to interact with it also at the molecular level where everything is actually occurring.....who know, would be a neat test
maybe in the future dyneema suits will supplant scent lok (and actually work whereas scent lok does not after the carbon becomes saturated the first time....the drier does not get hot enough to reactivate....which everyone that uses activated carbon knows)
Activated carbon - Wikipedia
Last edited:
eh....unless you are washing your boots, all clothes (which is actually feasible), backpack, and sticks/platform/etc....then I wouldn't pin point those straps EXCEPT for the fact that those straps are at a lower level on the tree and therefore any scent on them doesn't benefit as much from any uplift of wind (thermals or otherwise)
if it really bothered me, i would consider 2 sets of straps (maybe 2 sets of steps and straps) and then have one dry and ready to rock and one being washed/drying and rotate
that's maybe one more advantage of the amsteel attachment i use....the dyneema that amsteel is made of is relatively inert (that's why even strong solvents don't affect it much).....my gut says that if gasoline has a hard time forming a chemical bond with it so as to destroy it....then human scent is less likely to interact with it also at the molecular level where everything is actually occurring.....who know, would be a neat test
maybe in the future dyneema suits will supplant scent lok (and actually work whereas scent lok does not after the carbon becomes saturated the first time....the drier does not get hot enough to reactivate....which everyone that uses activated carbon knows)
Activated carbon - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
Very insightful thank you. Yes, I was thinking the first 6 or so that are more at ground level. I could imagine multiple 1” straps the standard 7ft length each would pick up a lot more hand oils than say the 3 helium sticks I use with Amsteel mod w/CAYG aider. I have been 1 sticking so that moves up with me but I am kinda over that for sweat/temp/scent control reasons. First season with trying Bullmans so weighing the pros and cons vs climbing methods that all parts move up with climber. Thanks
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
tailgunner
Well-Known Member
Oh....why don't yall 2tc.thread.it changed my life........i mean my climb.