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Random Musings From Your Resident Contrarian and Underage Curmudgeon

And another two I hate

People who start a thread with “..., prove me wrong”. To heck with you. You have neither the authority nor the power to forcefully compel me to prove you wrong!

People who start a thread with “..., and go!” To heck with you. You have neither the authority nor the power to forcefully compel me to race other people in response to your dingleberry question!

Most of human behaviors/actions can be attributed to some combination of:
Stupidity
Laziness
Selfishness / self absorption
 
sojourner said:
Is this like Festivus for saddle hunters?
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Exactly. Besides the obvious need to toot my own horn, I figured the thread would also allow folks to vent in a harmless concentrated place. That way they aren't yelling at people randomly in other threads. Plus, I was hoping it would be useful to get some dissenting opinions on gear and tactics that might be useful to new/inexperienced hunters. I overshot on that one - looks like this is just a race to the bottom of theory of mind...
 
-100% on the hikers. If I never wear rubber boots again it will be too soon.

-I have struggled with the tree thing. Grew up hunting in a tree. Have always hunted in a tree. I want to hunt from the ground more but constantly fight the urge to get up a tree. I feel like ground hunting would increase my chances, especially in places with no “climbable” trees. I also love the camaraderie and competition of the contest here, but it makes me feel a little bad and like I’m letting my team down when I hunt from the ground.

-I agree also with the sissyfication of society. I was watching a show last night and a guy in India took a piece of bamboo with other pieces of bamboo stuck in for “steps” to get 15’ up the tree, then he climbs the next 15-20 ft up with just his hands and feet wearing flip flops. He then cut a branch with an angry ants nest to drop down for them to harvest the ants and larva to make chutney. Dude was a straight up boss 30’ up in that tree with no rope or gear. We do need to be safe, but also don’t think your 100% safe, because you never are 100% and when you think you are, that’s when you will make a mistake. That guy in India knew his risk and it made him sharp and able to complete an amazing feat.
 
I dislike dumb posts about methods or equipment which could get a novice hurt or killed. Everything else is just another laugh unless I learn something new from it.
 
So, gear and tactics that are overrated in my mind.

Heavy arrows and bone breaker heads. If you look at where that "heavy bone" is on a deer shoulder it's just not an issue. If you do hit it, it's not a high odds shot whether you have a heavy arrow or a light one. If you can manage to not hit a shoulder, a 2" cut is better than a 1" one in my mind.

Walking in without a light. Screw that. I have seen a lot of deer in the headlights and they're not skeered. I have almost stepped in, on, or into a lot of stuff I'd rather not. I'm using a light.

Scentlok, ozonics, and all that jazz. I fell like it's cool to hate it now, but I still hate it.

Expensive hunting clothes. It's not worth it. Just isn't. Read the tags list of materials, and then go buy that material without the dang camo pattern and brand name. You can buy a 30 dollar under armour t shirt...or a 10 dollar Walmart one that got made in the same plant by the same kid from the same fabric. You can buy a 300 dollar jacket, or a 100 dollar one made from the same fabric in the same plant by the same...oh never mind

Self filming. It's usually not fun to watch, and that's if I can forgive your choice of intro music and actually make it to the video.

"Not the biggest, but..." Stop. I get it. Congratulations on a dead deer. Here's your sticker. Get outta here.

Date the fat chick. Bump and dump. Run and gun. Ground pound. Swang and bang. Beast style. And all the other cutesy little names. They hurt my head.

Milk...weed. Holy corn kernel filled crappie patties batman. What is up with you fluff droppers?

Topo maps and aerial maps. Can you see deer on them? No? Then why are you asking me where the deer are on them? How should I know? Go find them!

Wool. We have better, lighter, warmer, fabrics now. Get outta here with your hipster self. Go cry into your goose down pillow by the light of a whale oil lantern and write sad poetry with a quill pen.

The concept of the "tradition" of archery. The only people who traditionally hunted with a bow on this continent got shafted by the folks who didn't way before ole Fred Bear cooked up his marketing scheme.

Sit-on kayaks. Stupid boats for fat white people to fish from. Wholly impractical for any other purpose. Buy a canoe.

6.5 Creedmoor. The official caliber of "i spend more time reading about shooting deer than shooting deer."

Wrapping anything with paracord. Go make my teenage cousin a friendship bracelet, ya Martha Stewart weirdo.

Hey, this IS cathartic! Thanks Kyler!
 
I made it a few paragraphs in and gave up. Chalked up the wordiness to cozying up to JibberJabber.

I hope JibberJabber doesn’t see this as a challenge and decide to announce his presence with authority by posting yet another manifesto.
 
Nutterbuster said:
Wool. We have better, lighter, warmer, fabrics now. Get outta here with your hipster self. Go cry into your goose down pillow by the light of a whale oil lantern and write sad poetry with a quill pen.
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I can freely admit my experience is limited. But here's what I can say about wool versus our uberspecial synthetic stuff. It's the same argument of replaceable blade knives, broadheads, etc. When I wear anything synthetic and I sweat in it, it stinks. Sweat in it 2-3 times it becomes offensively stinky. So I have to wash it. Great. Problem solved right? Well, the more you wash clothes, the more worn faded and weak they get. Cool for your denim blue jeans. Not so cool for your synthetic clothes. So spring for the cheap ones if you're going to ruin them anyway.

I now have an article of clothing I have to wash every other time, if not every time I wear it. I don't care about deer smelling it, I care about ME smelling it. At the rate I wear clothes, and sweat in them, with all of my hunting clothes pulling duty as general use clothing, that adds up to a lot of washing, and a lot of replacing. Manufactured obsolescence...

I have a wool shirt I bought from @Vtbow. I've probably worn the shirt about 200+ times. I've sweated in it dozens of times. It smells like the day I bought it. Used. I've washed it twice, and both times was to remove blood and mud. That's it. It's bulletproof, and versatile. It will not perform extremely well in any condition, but it will perform plenty well in all conditions.

The cost category ends up being a wash so far.

A fringe benefit - that I think gets into theory world, is that natural fibers with multiple colors on single strands, tend to blend into natural backgrounds better than any printed synthetic. I know we agree on having depth and cover to break up your outline, but if I'm getting silhouetted, give me wool in a neutral color over any camo or solid synthetic print all day long...


One area that doesn't get enough credit or attention in lighter weight layering and wind breaking layers - taped seams. I think this is a huge breakthrough. It makes a garment much more effective at a lighter weight.
 
kyler1945 said:
I can freely admit my experience is limited. But here's what I can say about wool versus our uberspecial synthetic stuff. It's the same argument of replaceable blade knives, broadheads, etc. When I wear anything synthetic and I sweat in it, it stinks. Sweat in it 2-3 times it becomes offensively stinky. So I have to wash it. Great. Problem solved right? Well, the more you wash clothes, the more worn faded and weak they get. Cool for your denim blue jeans. Not so cool for your synthetic clothes. So spring for the cheap ones if you're going to ruin them anyway.

I now have an article of clothing I have to wash every other time, if not every time I wear it. I don't care about deer smelling it, I care about ME smelling it. At the rate I wear clothes, and sweat in them, with all of my hunting clothes pulling duty as general use clothing, that adds up to a lot of washing, and a lot of replacing. Manufactured obsolescence...

I have a wool shirt I bought from @Vtbow. I've probably worn the shirt about 200+ times. I've sweated in it dozens of times. It smells like the day I bought it. Used. I've washed it twice, and both times was to remove blood and mud. That's it. It's bulletproof, and versatile. It will not perform extremely well in any condition, but it will perform plenty well in all conditions.

The cost category ends up being a wash so far.

A fringe benefit - that I think gets into theory world, is that natural fibers with multiple colors on single strands, tend to blend into natural backgrounds better than any printed synthetic. I know we agree on having depth and cover to break up your outline, but if I'm getting silhouetted, give me wool in a neutral color over any camo or solid synthetic print all day long...


One area that doesn't get enough credit or attention in lighter weight layering and wind breaking layers - taped seams. I think this is a huge breakthrough. It makes a garment much more effective at a lighter weight.
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Yep. Manufactured obsolescence. I quit using soap because the bar gets smaller every time I use it. Theyre not tricking me!!
 
I think it is interesting that the fastest growing influence (IMO) in the "hunting industry" is The Hunting Public and they are advocating for many of the things you are. They buck against the rubber boot, scent control cult. They encourage moderate arrow weights, fixed blade heads and keeping shot distances short. They are huge on ground hunting. They treat saddle hunting as a tool not as an end all be all system. It seems from your post that you are just frustrated with people following the "industry" and doing things that are against common sense. It seems to me that THP is moving the industry back to a more common sense, more fun, more realistic display of what hunting is. You may find fault with them because they are popular and successful but not everything popular is bad.

By the way, I love my one panel saddle. :blush:
 
tyson12590 said:
I think it is interesting that the fastest growing influence (IMO) in the "hunting industry" is The Hunting Public and they are advocating for many of the things you are. They buck against the rubber boot, scent control cult. They encourage moderate arrow weights, fixed blade heads and keeping shot distances short. They are huge on ground hunting. They treat saddle hunting as a tool not as an end all be all system. It seems from your post that you are just frustrated with people following the "industry" and doing things that are against common sense. It seems to me that THP is moving the industry back to a more common sense, more fun, more realistic display of what hunting is. You may find fault with them because they are popular and successful but not everything popular is bad.

By the way, I love my one panel saddle. :blush:
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I don’t find any fault. I’m not blaming anyone. Hell I don’t even think anything is wrong. I’m just offering a reminder to folks who may not be paying all that much attention to the game.

Am I happy that Rogan has made it socially acceptable in ALL circles for a man to hunt again? Not selfishly in the short term. But long term yes - the more people hunting the better the odds I get to keep hunting.

Am I glad the hunting public glorifies being aggressive and proactive in hunting approaches? Not selfishly in the short Term, as it gets more people on their feet. But long term yes - the more people sitting still for hours on end doing absolutely nothing in crappy weather conditions and considering giving up hunting, being told it’s ok to be normal and go have fun, will lead to better hunter retention and expansion.
 
Nutterbuster said:
And I'd agree that deer hunting is not a particularly intellectual pursuit. I hate folks who complicate it or try to pitch big bucks as wise old warriors or cunning survivalist or whatever.

They're goats who will try and hump a rubber decoy...
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Or a Montana decoy.
 
The total disregard for safety and not getting competent instruction blows my mind. Some things in life can be instructed via reading. Hands on instruction is the ONLY acceptable means to be competent at ascending, descending, and fall factors. There’s also a very good reason to follow climb rated gear's guidelines as far as what rope diameter to use with what device. Also if there has been documented proof of a certain material snapping under static falls don’t use that material.
 
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