Rock Climbing treestand harness

[bpz89]

Killdeer is out of stock and out of town..

What is a rated harness that has good lineman’s loops?


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[bigmike23]

NOT the Tactisaddle version I can say for sure

 

[JoyRyd]

TX5 Minimalist is on my hybrid list to try??? It looks like a perfect fit for hybrid style saddle hunting.

 

[BTaylor]

Killdeer is out of stock and out of town..

What is a rated harness that has good lineman’s loops?


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Misty Mountain Cadillac Tactical might work for what you are looking for.

 

[bpz89]

TX5 Minimalist is on my hybrid list to try??? It looks like a perfect fit for hybrid style saddle hunting.

What about for just strictly a treestand harness?


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[KYHunter]

I have a Phantom but have used bungees and two gear holders to essentially turn it into a redneck TX5 minimalist

 

[rhagenw]

Following, I believe I caused my first saddle to prematurely wearing due to tree stand rubbing on it while on my back.

 

[JoyRyd]

What about for just strictly a treestand harness?


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I don’t own one yet, but I believe it work great for just a treestand harness. That said, there is a difference between harness and restraint. @raisins is a good source in this area of discussion.

 

[gcr0003]

@bpz89

A rock climbing harness is not a tree harness. Can you use a rock climbing harness in a tree, sure, but just because you can doesn’t mean you should. You have a higher chance of going upside down during a fall with a rock climbing harness, and if you fall on slack you’re going to likely get hurt since there is nothing to dampen the fall. Additionally if you’re falling on a static or rigid tether, you’re just adding to the shock your body is going to feel. Then you’re going to have to somehow run the tether around your side and to the front of the rock climbing harness. I don’t see how this is more convenient or more maneuverable than a tree harness. Plus, if you fell on that it would likely spin you pretty violently, not to mention the risk of your limbs or neck to get caught up in it. Treestand harnesses or full body harnesses mitigate falling and turning upside down, and many are made with stitches that purposely tear open to reduce fall forces. That said, even with full body harness they recommend taking all the slack out of them. Add on top of this you don’t have proper lineman’s loops so you’re taking a risk by DIYing your own if you can find a commercial one with loops.

What do you think you’d be gaining over a traditional treestand harness?

 

[bpz89]

@bpz89

A rock climbing harness is not a tree harness. Can you use a rock climbing harness in a tree, sure, but just because you can doesn’t mean you should. You have a higher chance of going upside down during a fall with a rock climbing harness, and if you fall on slack you’re going to likely get hurt since there is nothing to dampen the fall. Additionally if you’re falling on a static or rigid tether, you’re just adding to the shock your body is going to feel. Then you’re going to have to somehow run the tether around your side and to the front of the rock climbing harness. I don’t see how this is more convenient or more maneuverable than a tree harness. Plus, if you fell on that it would likely spin you pretty violently, not to mention the risk of your limbs or neck to get caught up in it. Treestand harnesses or full body harnesses mitigate falling and turning upside down, and many are made with stitches that purposely tear open to reduce fall forces. That said, even with full body harness they recommend taking all the slack out of them. Add on top of this you don’t have proper lineman’s loops so you’re taking a risk by DIYing your own if you can find a commercial one with loops.

What do you think you’d be gaining over a traditional treestand harness?

I agree 100% with all that you said. My only dislike or fear rather is if a fall did occur while wearing a traditional or full body Treestand harness it would be very difficult to self rescue or regain entry into the Treestand.


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[gcr0003]

I agree 100% with all that you said. My only dislike or fear rather is if a fall did occur while wearing a traditional or full body Treestand harness it would be very difficult to self rescue or regain entry into the Treestand.


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You would have some additional maneuverability with a rock climbing harness, but other than that how is it contributing to a self rescue? It seems like you would still need 2 tethers or a rappel rope or something similar in both case to un-weight your self and lower yourself to the ground. What’s your plan of self rescue?

 

[Arieleagle]

NOT the Tactisaddle version I can say for sure

Can you elaborate on that? bc I’m considerI got getting one for next year

 

[GeoFish]

@bpz89

A rock climbing harness is not a tree harness. Can you use a rock climbing harness in a tree, sure, but just because you can doesn’t mean you should. You have a higher chance of going upside down during a fall with a rock climbing harness, and if you fall on slack you’re going to likely get hurt since there is nothing to dampen the fall. Additionally if you’re falling on a static or rigid tether, you’re just adding to the shock your body is going to feel. Then you’re going to have to somehow run the tether around your side and to the front of the rock climbing harness. I don’t see how this is more convenient or more maneuverable than a tree harness. Plus, if you fell on that it would likely spin you pretty violently, not to mention the risk of your limbs or neck to get caught up in it. Treestand harnesses or full body harnesses mitigate falling and turning upside down, and many are made with stitches that purposely tear open to reduce fall forces. That said, even with full body harness they recommend taking all the slack out of them. Add on top of this you don’t have proper lineman’s loops so you’re taking a risk by DIYing your own if you can find a commercial one with loops.

What do you think you’d be gaining over a traditional treestand harness?

I understand what you are saying. But this is a question.
If I am climbing with a tree stand harness. My tether is connected to the tree as I climb. I move the teather up each and every step. If something happened and I fell, since the connection point is behind my head. Will the force drive my face into the tree?

 

[gcr0003]

I understand what you are saying. But this is a question.
If I am climbing with a tree stand harness. My tether is connected to the tree as I climb. I move the teather up each and every step. If something happened and I fell, since the connection point is behind my head. Will the force drive my face into the tree?

What are you climbing in your example? Sticks or climber?

 

[GeoFish]

What are you climbing in your example? Sticks or climber?

Climbing on sticks or steps.

 

[gcr0003]

Climbing on sticks or steps.

So you use your harness tether that comes from your back when you’re climbing sticks? How does that work? I think most people would be climbing with a lineman’s belt and then connecting to their harness tether at hunting height. When setting sticks I don’t see how you are progressing you’re harness tether. If you fall from a tree youre likely going to get scraped up pretty bad. If you’re wearing a harness over your shoulder facing the tree then yea it makes sense that it’s going to pull you to the tree when you fall.

When at hunting height the same but opposite would like occur. You’d end up facing the tree in a fall with a rock climbing harness attachment but not pressed against it by the rope and facing away with a treestand attachment.

I think both would suck, but more importantly would be how you would self rescue for either?

 

[bpz89]

You would have some additional maneuverability with a rock climbing harness, but other than that how is it contributing to a self rescue? It seems like you would still need 2 tethers or a rappel rope or something similar in both case to un-weight your self and lower yourself to the ground. What’s your plan of self rescue?

Suspension relief strap and pray I am able to regain entry onto my lock on platform.


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[bigmike23]

Can you elaborate on that? bc I’m considerI got getting one for next year

I don't know where to start I hate it so much.
First and foremost, it doesn't allow me to climb the way I climbed the last 4 years. I always set my first stick on the tree, lay my second stick across the top of the first stick, then put my last 2 sticks into bungee loops on each side of my harness as shown below. It's perfect this way. I never had a clang or bang on anything. Not banging into my carabiner or stand on my back. And it's simple to go up in one shot. You cannot do that with the Tactisaddle harness. The lineman's loops do not extend far enough forward, so no matter where I place the loops in the molle webbing for the sticks they either will bang on the lineman's carabiners or the stand on my back. I tried every spot on the molle web to alleviate the issue along with various lengths of loops for the sticks to no avail. You can see the distance to the lineman's carabineer and stick on the hss so there never any noise made.

Second, using it with the lineman's belt is extremely uncomfortable. All the pressure is on the 1 waist belt when you lean back. And I got the add-on padding to put around the waist to go with it. Still brutal. And along with all that pressure the waist strap constantly wants to ride up into the small of your back creating even more pain. As you can also see below, with my HSS harness the pressure is distributed on 3 different straps around my back as well as the two leg loops under my butt that you cannot see in the photo. It's like laying back into a hammock. I know some are thinking right now so what you don't spend that much time climbing up anyhow. I don't race up the tree. Going slow and methodical making ZERO noise climbing wins out every single time in my book. And having the strap digging into your back does not help with the slow and methodical process.
Third, if you do have a fall in that harness holy mother of god you better hope you had the kids you've always wanted first. Because those leg straps go right for the Octagon along with James Westfall and Dr Kennath Noisewater. You're gonna be hurting bad.

Fourth, having the attachment point for the tether in front is a pain. It gets in the way of your zipper so it's hard to play fire fighter along with getting bunched up at the bottom of your jacket.

Fifth, I just don't see the big advantages of the rock climbing style FOR ME. The biggest hype was how much easier self-rescue is by facing the tree. If you're not in good shape that's likely the case. I'm very athletic and in very good shape. I can be dangling and likely be able to bicep curl myself back onto the stand. I have no rescue concerns.

Sixth, the leg straps always seem to lay across my cargo pockets so again it's a pain interfering with getting gear out.

Seventh, the waist and leg buckles are absolutely impossible to adjust 1 handed. Cannot be done. Even two-handed is exceedingly difficult. That said Jason just made an update video two days ago explaining that John updated the buckles for much easier use and they do look dramatically better in the video. This is 1 of the biggest things I hate about mine.
Eighth, I think you get the point I hate this harness LOL. Haven't typed this much since college. It's my seething hatred of it that kept me going.

 

[BuffaloBill]

Suspension relief strap and pray I am able to regain entry onto my lock on platform.


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I your lineman’s belt is girth hitches could that not be your suspension relief strap? I’d that and try to get ahold of a stick.

 

[rhagenw]

I don't know where to start I hate it so much.
First and foremost, it doesn't allow me to climb the way I climbed the last 4 years. I always set my first stick on the tree, lay my second stick across the top of the first stick, then put my last 2 sticks into bungee loops on each side of my harness as shown below. It's perfect this way. I never had a clang or bang on anything. Not banging into my carabiner or stand on my back. And it's simple to go up in one shot. You cannot do that with the Tactisaddle harness. The lineman's loops do not extend far enough forward, so no matter where I place the loops in the molle webbing for the sticks they either will bang on the lineman's carabiners or the stand on my back. I tried every spot on the molle web to alleviate the issue along with various lengths of loops for the sticks to no avail. You can see the distance to the lineman's carabineer and stick on the hss so there never any noise made.

Second, using it with the lineman's belt is extremely uncomfortable. All the pressure is on the 1 waist belt when you lean back. And I got the add-on padding to put around the waist to go with it. Still brutal. And along with all that pressure the waist strap constantly wants to ride up into the small of your back creating even more pain. As you can also see below, with my HSS harness the pressure is distributed on 3 different straps around my back as well as the two leg loops under my butt that you cannot see in the photo. It's like laying back into a hammock. I know some are thinking right now so what you don't spend that much time climbing up anyhow. I don't race up the tree. Going slow and methodical making ZERO noise climbing wins out every single time in my book. And having the strap digging into your back does not help with the slow and methodical process.
Third, if you do have a fall in that harness holy mother of god you better hope you had the kids you've always wanted first. Because those leg straps go right for the Octagon along with James Westfall and Dr Kennath Noisewater. You're gonna be hurting bad.

Fourth, having the attachment point for the tether in front is a pain. It gets in the way of your zipper so it's hard to play fire fighter along with getting bunched up at the bottom of your jacket.

Fifth, I just don't see the big advantages of the rock climbing style FOR ME. The biggest hype was how much easier self-rescue is by facing the tree. If you're not in good shape that's likely the case. I'm very athletic and in very good shape. I can be dangling and likely be able to bicep curl myself back onto the stand. I have no rescue concerns.

Sixth, the leg straps always seem to lay across my cargo pockets so again it's a pain interfering with getting gear out.

Seventh, the waist and leg buckles are absolutely impossible to adjust 1 handed. Cannot be done. Even two-handed is exceedingly difficult. That said Jason just made an update video two days ago explaining that John updated the buckles for much easier use and they do look dramatically better in the video. This is 1 of the biggest things I hate about mine.
Eighth, I think you get the point I hate this harness LOL. Haven't typed this much since college. It's my seething hatred of it that kept me going. View attachment 73446View attachment 73447

What would you recommend? I have a Big Game harness which the LB are too low. I've also used a saddle which I enjoyed for comfort/function but of course safety issue and I believe I had an increase wear issue. HHS harness? One of the new hybrid/RC harness?