Rico
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Can anyone recommend a 10-13 mm rope that is easier to splice an eye in?
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Rope that is easier to splice?
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David Ray
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Best bet is go on wespur.com and look at double braids like what tethrd uses to make their linesman and tether and make sure its spliceable. It will tell you in their description. Whether or not its easy I guess is up to you. Easiest rope to splice is amsteel but you dont wanna use that for a tether.
Rico
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Easier than Predator. DIY Sportsman mentioned in one of his videos that he did splice Predator, but that he would never do it again. I would like to do 12 spliced eyes. At $25 each at Wespur, I'm thinking it would be worth the time to learn to do it.
Rico
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Good tip. I'll do that and give them a call tomorrow.
Thank you.
The other option is going with something like Sterling htp static rope with a factory sewn eye. RW rope and tree stuff.com will sell by the foot and add sewn eyes. I've been thinking of going this way myself.
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I have spliced this. It's really easy to put a double braid splice in. Also, even though its advertised as 1/2 inch the cover is somewhat loose on the core braid so it still works really well in those 7/16" devices (Ropeman, ATC, Safeguard, etc.). That looser fitting cover is what makes this so splicable.
https://rwrope.com/rope/rope-by-use/utility-rope/1-2-double-braid-polyester-rope/
https://rwrope.com/rope/rope-by-use/utility-rope/1-2-double-braid-polyester-rope/
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Would you use this for a repelling or is it not suitable for that?
I use it for rappeling during climbing practice or when I'm demoing gear. It runs fine in both my Safeguard and my ATC, in fact it might run better in my ATC than my 7/16" Tachyon. And it's rated over 6000 lbs. I like the fact that its a little bigger diameter as its easier to tend with my free hand. I have pretty large hands and smaller diameter ropes are more difficult for me to get a sound grasp on.
The only reason I don't hunt off it is that I asked the wife to buy me a 30' length for Christmas last year so I could give splicing it a try. I didn't want her to buy too long a piece and then find it not usable for me. Now after splicing both ends (second end just because it was joy to splice the first end) I only have about a 26-27' length available. Its just a little to short for me to hunt with. I'll probably buy some more in the future but I'm pretty set on rope right now.
Rico
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Wow, that rope is expensive per foot, but for 8' lineman's and tethers its far more economical than buying pre-made.
Wespur has a kit that is very expensive for doing just a few. http://www.wesspur.com/splicing/rope-splicing-kits.html
When you spliced it, did you use special tools? Fid etc.? If so, would you provide a link for us?
This is by far the best splicing procedure I have run across. I like the use of the wire fid. I just used a folded over piece of .020 diameter stainless wire threaded thru a dowel to make a handle.
For reference when he's using the fid to measure and referenceing fid lengths, a fid length is commonly accepted to be 21x to 22x the rope diameter. A short fid is 1/3 of a normal fid length or 7x the rope diameter (i.e. for a 7/16" diameter predator rope a fid length is approx. 9 1/2").
For reference when he's using the fid to measure and referenceing fid lengths, a fid length is commonly accepted to be 21x to 22x the rope diameter. A short fid is 1/3 of a normal fid length or 7x the rope diameter (i.e. for a 7/16" diameter predator rope a fid length is approx. 9 1/2").
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Good deal buddy that looks like the way for me to go thanks for the detailed info!!
I did a bunch of predator eye spices last month. Getting pretty good at it. Still takes some effort. The wire fid makes it so much easier. It does take some time to get used to it. The rope from r&w that is used for tree stand stuff is really easy to do, it has a looser cover I think. I did a tachyon tether last year, that was a tough one, predator is much easier IMHO. It just takes some determination, some time, a good pair of gloves as well. Got some blisters. I used some tips from another web site. I’ll have to see if I can dig it up..... here is a good thread on doing eye splices on ocean poly, which is a good line for Prusik’s. Same tips can work for the tether on predator.
http://www.treebuzz.com/forum/threads/ocean-polyester-eye-and-eye.23821/
http://www.treebuzz.com/forum/threads/ocean-polyester-eye-and-eye.23821/
Rico
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Man, I'd love to splice predator. It's a lot cheaper than the the R&W rope.
Please send any links you come up with.
I added one link in the post above. This is where I found some helpful info. I’ll go back thru my notes today and find the helpful stuff and repost it. Here is the rope from r&w. If you email or call them, you can order it by the foot. It is really easy to splice this stuff.
https://rwrope.com/rope/rope-by-use/utility-rope/1-2-double-braid-polyester-rope/
It’s at $1.59 a foot.
Predator at $1.08. I really like the predator. Don’t get me wrong, it still takes some work to do it.
Here is the Prusik rope I chose. It spliced pretty good, but required some patience and going slow to get it good.
http://www.wesspur.com/prusiks/heat-resistant-prusik-cords.html
These splices usually would take me 2 lunch hours at work to do. Taking my time. The link above from the tree buzz site was probably the most helpful.
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PhilSch
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I bought 22' of the RW hunter safety rope for tether and linesman belt. Had never spliced double braid before but successfully did a small eye for the belt and larger eye for the tether. The hardest part about doing the splice is keeping track of where all your marks are on the rope. That OD green with random black marks all over makes it difficult to find the marks you make with a sharpie. I recommend buying a 1/2" tube fid as well as making a wire fid. R&W sells the 1/2" fid for $7.75. Also make sure to lock stitch the splice. The Samson rope website has good spicing instructions both printed and video.
went and looked up some info. couple things you might need as well. you really only need the wire fid. I took a tig welding wire, bent in half, and also bent the far end at a 90* so I could put it in a vice. I have tried the rope fids, knitting needle fids, and plastic figs. wire fid seems to make a huge difference. Also, the tapers make a huge difference in pulling the bury's. The worst one is the last one. I have found that with a good taper, patience, good gloves, and a solid mount point to tie the rope to, you can do it. might take awhile to pull it, but it can be done. sometime a hammer helps to loosen the cover some.
1) wire fid. (you can take a welding rod/wire and bend it in half, or other wire of some sort)
2) Normal fid (not really needed, the wire works pretty good, but if you have, it might be easier for guiding the cover thru the core)
3) a solid cleat/railing/vice. something to be able to tie the rope around when doing your final bury that you can really lean into, snap the rope, ect...
4) good scissors to cut the rope.
I used a combination of the samson double braid class 1 splicing instructions and the Brion Toss method found in the link below. with the Toss method, you can use a strand from the rope itself to lock stich it, also using another strand to lock the cover and core together at the one crossover point.
http://briontoss.com/education/BTR_book.pdf
There are some good points in this thread as well along with some good pictures. I learned about the brion toss method here. Also, the guys on this forum where very helpful.
http://www.treebuzz.com/forum/threads/ocean-polyester-eye-and-eye.23821/
1) wire fid. (you can take a welding rod/wire and bend it in half, or other wire of some sort)
2) Normal fid (not really needed, the wire works pretty good, but if you have, it might be easier for guiding the cover thru the core)
3) a solid cleat/railing/vice. something to be able to tie the rope around when doing your final bury that you can really lean into, snap the rope, ect...
4) good scissors to cut the rope.
I used a combination of the samson double braid class 1 splicing instructions and the Brion Toss method found in the link below. with the Toss method, you can use a strand from the rope itself to lock stich it, also using another strand to lock the cover and core together at the one crossover point.
http://briontoss.com/education/BTR_book.pdf
There are some good points in this thread as well along with some good pictures. I learned about the brion toss method here. Also, the guys on this forum where very helpful.
http://www.treebuzz.com/forum/threads/ocean-polyester-eye-and-eye.23821/
This is the same rope I spliced. In fact the left picture on the the link is a slice I did. Had I known they were going to use the pic on their website, I wouldn't have used a Dora the Explorer kids book for the background lol. The price of this rope has about doubled since I bought mine. I'm pretty sure I paid about 0.79$ a foot for it 6 months ago.
This procedure works well with Predator too. Don't get me worng, its not as easy as the RW rope but its definitely doable. The only real difficulty is getting the core pulled down through the cover again. I've gotten to the point where I won't hesitate to splice predator rope this way. It gets easier every time.