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Just curious, what if your cover scent has 25 different smelling things in it? Lol that’s a joke but I have often pondered if that was the intention of cover scent as opposed to “scent elimination”. Have enough overwhelming smells that are not “red flag” smells for deer. And hope it confuses them enough to mask your scent. I personally like that theory but I don’t see it necessarily working. I know deer have even better noses than blood hounds, for that reason I think minimize your smell to the best of your ability but in a hunting situation, the wind is your best friend. If you place yourself where wind direction is in your favor, it increases your odds in my mind. However you can’t help what direction an animal chooses to come in from. I have set myself on the north east side of a game trail on a south west wind, and had the dang deer come in from a whole different direction. Hogs still came in from the other direction, but I’ve seen hogs walk into an area and stop, circle around the palms until they were down wind of that same area to sniff test it before going out and rooting up acorns and hickory nuts. They are some smart jokers.
I actually like that idea. Very original. It would be nice to see some tests regarding that. I will probably ruffle some feathers here but I almost think we give a deer's sense of smell too much credit. Hear me out now before you go calling me an idiot. Animals are animals and we as humans can only pretty much guess what is going on in their little pea brains. You can control experiments on domestic animals like dogs but its pretty hard to get definitive results on wild animals. Think about how many times you have seen other hunters set up in a spot where they have absolutely no chance of shooting a deer because they had the wind wrong. I've seen this many times. Are the deer's noses that good or are a lot of hunter's just not very wind savvy? I have shot more than 1 deer that came in from down wind but I am a scent control fanatic and I think that helps in instances like that. I even have had a few sniff the tree that I climbed and I shot them a few minutes later because they didn't spook. I don't think we can eliminate our scent completely but I think if we reduce our scent enough to make them think it is old or not a threat what does it matter? OK. Now you can all call me an idiot. HaHa!!
 
I was in stand a few years ago and I could smell the neighbors doing laundry 350 yards upwind, the scented stuff. It’s strong, after going to scent free laundry detergent I’ll never go back, even if I didn’t hunt.

Totally agree! And what I think might be the biggest culprit is fabric softener/dryer sheets. Even if you don’t use it in your hunting laundry loads it will carry over to them.

The stuff is toxic anyway so get it out of your house. Use wool dryer balls instead.
 
Totally agree! And what I think might be the biggest culprit is fabric softener/dryer sheets. Even if you don’t use it in your hunting laundry loads it will carry over to them.

The stuff is toxic anyway so get it out of your house. Use wool dryer balls instead.
I totally agree but I’d add that whatever scent is in your laundry detergent has effect too. My wife switched to wool dryer balls and diy natural detergent. It has FAR less odor than conventional laundry washes (which now the smell of chemical fabric softeners just gags me out… way too strong and fake IMO), but I always wonder how the deer mind lavender essential oil from her laundry soap? Haha. I try to wash my hunting clothes in just baking soda, air dry, and hang outside to de-scent. But I wonder how much residual scent still gets applied from the laundry appliances and laundry room atmosphere.
 
I'm skeptical that most of the "wind guys" don't truly understand how complex wind patters really are. Patterns certainly are not static, meaning its not consistent across the landscape in relation to the prevailing wind.
Wind is incredibly dynamic and has a pile factors that influence what it's doing in a specific micro location, and the patterns in each location effect the pattern in an adjacent location. Its dynamic.

Add to that, there is a distance that wind dissipates our odor, and that distance fluctuates depending on environmental factors (humidity, temps, speed, sunshine versus clouds). Somewhere out there is an invisible line when odor goes from "alarming" to simply "existing" to completely undetectable. The less intense the source (us) is, the closer to us that invisible line will be.

And the final factor is that we are dealing with a critter that makes decisions when they encounter some sort of stimulai. Individual deer react in individual ways on any given day. What an individual deer accepts one day, may alarm it days or even hours later.

In most areas deer are detecting human odor on some level 24/7/365. If human odor ALWAYS caused alarm, then deer would live in a constant state of panic. Deer do accept a certain amount of human odor, so why not reduce our odor as much as we can?

My take on the subject...
It's not whether or not that I can become odorless because I know that is impossible, but can I improve my situation to any degree by reducing my odor? I'm 100% certain that I do up my odds to a certain percentage and most of what I do is either free or relatively inexpensive.

How do we measure effectiveness? It's pretty much impossible. But I do know that I get busted much, MUCH LESS, than I did during the 1st 25 years of my 50 deer seasons.
I watch the wind as best as I can, I minimize odors as best as I can, and I plan access routes as best as I can. It's a total plan, and it's undoubtedly helped me improve my situation.
I think guys put way to much thought into this and it actually frustrates them. Ive been there me to.
with that said the ones that do this like i did need to start trying to worry about every little thing there is. Do we need to worry about evety stick or twig falling from a tree?
some stuff we just cant control hich i believes drives some guys nuts so they search for a way to master.
just hunt have fun and look at the small things you can just hunt the wind as much as you can.
so for the above comment In my opinion the short explanation of this would be
I think wind running through the woods and bouncing on or off swirling snd receding transitions edges etc like water would do.
Rarely anything is 100%. You bever know whats gonna happen out there.
updrafts down drafts thermals.
have a open mind and learn how things react in the areas you hunt
Deer, humans, and the wind.
 
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It's really helpful to load OnX hunt and look at the topo and then the dominant wind direction on Weather Underground and then drop milk weed all the time. Then think of the wind like water flowing in a stream where the topo map is like the stream bed. After a year, you'll develop an intuitive sense for wind direction and can look at a map and call it a lot of the times.
 
I actually like that idea. Very original. It would be nice to see some tests regarding that. I will probably ruffle some feathers here but I almost think we give a deer's sense of smell too much credit. Hear me out now before you go calling me an idiot. Animals are animals and we as humans can only pretty much guess what is going on in their little pea brains. You can control experiments on domestic animals like dogs but its pretty hard to get definitive results on wild animals. Think about how many times you have seen other hunters set up in a spot where they have absolutely no chance of shooting a deer because they had the wind wrong. I've seen this many times. Are the deer's noses that good or are a lot of hunter's just not very wind savvy? I have shot more than 1 deer that came in from down wind but I am a scent control fanatic and I think that helps in instances like that. I even have had a few sniff the tree that I climbed and I shot them a few minutes later because they didn't spook. I don't think we can eliminate our scent completely but I think if we reduce our scent enough to make them think it is old or not a threat what does it matter? OK. Now you can all call me an idiot. HaHa!!
It’s funny because I am so back and forth on this. I love to use my blue tick as my test subject, but like you said he’s trained to follow scent. I’ve seen him follow disturbed soil trails that were a day old like it just happened. I remember training him as a puppy. We used raccoons to teach him to blood trail because well we have a ton of them around and no real restrictions for hunting them. So we have accessible fresh blood and scent to use. Anyway the first couple times he didn’t really know what a raccoon was. I’d lock him up. Shoot a coon. Use the blood and body, I’d drag it for a yard then lift it and walk a couple yards the drag it again basically repeating process for 30 to 40 yards. After a couple hours, I’d let him out, I’d use the coon tail with a little blood on it, have him sit and sniff it, then give him a treat. I always would say where’s my bag? Let him run and sniff out the coon. When he located it, I’d give him a treat again or a piece of hide to chew. He loved it. Well we do some refresher smelling every summer to get him ready for the fall, last season I got real tricky and barely let the coon skin touch the ground (maybe once every 5 or so yards. I created a long (around 140 yards give or take) looping trail and circled back some (about 20 yards) and nailed the coon about 7’ high in a tree. After 2 and a half hours, I let him out, he sniffed the tail, I said where’s my bag? He began sniffing the ground per usual, he got about 30 yards and the wind picked up. My dog took his nose off the ground stuck it straight in the air and made a dart directly to the tree where the coon was nailed up. He didn’t follow the looping trail, he didn’t get even slightly confused. He made a bee line to that tree and started jumping up trying to fetch that skin. (So much for me being smart) I always wear rubber hip waders and long sleeves when I do this so that he isn’t following my smell only the blood and fur.
Now a deer has more glands in their nose than a hog, a dog, bested only by a few animals (elephant being number one lol) does that actually mean they sniff better? Scientist seem to think so. I said all of this because I feel like their noses are amazing. It’s our intelligence that sets us apart from the animal kingdom. So I know a trained animal can do amazing things with their noses. I also know deer aren’t trained, however they eventually learn to assign danger to specific smells and sounds. So to me, your scent control can be as impacted by the area you hunt as it can anything else. If you hunt an area that is highly visited with human traffic all year long and no one is shooting them until November, they probably don’t associate human smell with danger. It’s why hunting in highly populated urban areas isn’t as challenging in my mind. Deer learn to associate the sounds and smells of humans and they have no reason to fear that sound or smell until you shoot them. If you hunt in flat land, cold areas, thermals can be more problematic in my mind than hill sides where there’s more room for wind to carry. Or even change directions (up draft). I could be wrong but that’s how I see it. Down south it’s hot! Like really hot and the temps from sun rise to 10 am might fluctuate 20 degrees or more in that time. But evenings might not change 8 degrees so I might be in the minority but I don’t worry about thermals as much once I’m in the tree. However no amount of scent lok or control in the world helps control odor when it’s 88 to 95 degrees during bow season (our rut) and you are literally pouring sweat. So for that reason I think the wind is my only friend. If lived in a high pressure area where people are only entering during hunting seasons (such as Sante Fe swamp WMA) , the wind is even more important to me. If I’m like say in Ocala where there’s hunting pressure but year around people are in the woods hiking trails, riding the off road jeep courses, biking ect even though the hunting areas are different, the deer still have interactions with people. They hear them, smell them, see them and never get shot at. So in that place, maybe scent control could be enough to trick that deer into believing it was older and no danger was present. I often ponder how well smell carries in the extreme cold like MI and WI.Hospitals keep it cold because it slows the spread of germs. Part of that is cold air is dense, it sinks to the bottom where draft is less of a concern. Basically it helps keep air spread particles from reaching our respiratory tracks.(notice I said helps not eliminates) I often wonder if you’re in a wooded area with light winds or blocked winds, and real cold weather, if that would help keep the scent right under the tree you hunt. How would thermals work in that situation where your body temperature puts off heat that’s way above the surrounding air temperature? Would that heat some of the air pockets and float? Or would the cold air just force it down to the base of the tree where there would be even less wind to disturb it? I’m not a scientist so I don’t know how that would work. I have theories. And honestly my theories could be way wrong. So I think in certain situations or areas, you might be able to fool a deers nose just like we use calls to fool their ears, or camo and being still to fool their eyes. However there are some situations that I don’t think anything will ever stop your scent from being detected and I don’t care how much Scentlok,scent free detergent, scent free deodorant or whatever else you use. So yea I am torn and since every situation is different, there is no right or wrong answer in my eyes
 
I agree that there is no right or wrong answer. It depends on so many factors. I have been hunting in far northern Maine and actually have shot at a big buck that was with a big doe and when I walked down into the chopping where they were to look for blood the doe let me walk to within 20 ft. of her while she was watching me the whole time. I think it was because those deer may have never even seen a human much less developed a fear of them. The deer I have shot that came in downwind and the one that sniffed the tree I climbed are in a very populated area around my house and have run ins with humans all the time without any consequences so that might have been a factor as well. I just like to put the odds in my favor as much as possible and that is why I am a scent control freak. If I lived where you do though I would probably just play the wind too because I think it would be too hard to reduce your scent much if at all. Oh yeah. My brother and I both missed that buck but in our defense it was a long shot.
 
I agree that there is no right or wrong answer. It depends on so many factors. I have been hunting in far northern Maine and actually have shot at a big buck that was with a big doe and when I walked down into the chopping where they were to look for blood the doe let me walk to within 20 ft. of her while she was watching me the whole time. I think it was because those deer may have never even seen a human much less developed a fear of them. The deer I have shot that came in downwind and the one that sniffed the tree I climbed are in a very populated area around my house and have run ins with humans all the time without any consequences so that might have been a factor as well. I just like to put the odds in my favor as much as possible and that is why I am a scent control freak. If I lived where you do though I would probably just play the wind too because I think it would be too hard to reduce your scent much if at all. Oh yeah. My brother and I both missed that buck but in our defense it was a long shot.
I spent money on scent free detergent and deodorant. I even bought a couple items from scent lok which I liked a lot until the pants tore a hole in the crotch like the third time I wore them lol when I say I am on the fence, I truly ponder exactly how much credit should I give an animal every time I go out to the woods. Sometimes they make it easy and sometimes they do things that amaze me. Like I had a spot where I was getting lucky and got a hog like two or three straight trips out. That same spot I missed one of the nicest Fl deer I have ever seen but that’s a story for another time lol… but after getting a few hogs from that spot, I noticed their behavior changed. Instead of them all running out cautiously in a sound of like 6, taking a sniff, glancing around and then rooting like normal, one of the large males began running out of the swamp and instead of crossing into the small clearing surrounded by oaks and hickories, he actually started sniffing, stayed behind some palms and began circling 180 degrees to the opposite side of the trial (and my tree) he was going up wind to perform an extra smell check. Then he would make a few distress grunts and the whole sound would go running off in a whole different direction. That was one of the coolest (also most depressing) thing I had ever seen a pig do. It was actually exhibiting problem solving skills to avoid any of them being shot.
 
It’s funny because I am so back and forth on this. I love to use my blue tick as my test subject, but like you said he’s trained to follow scent. I’ve seen him follow disturbed soil trails that were a day old like it just happened. I remember training him as a puppy. We used raccoons to teach him to blood trail because well we have a ton of them around and no real restrictions for hunting them. So we have accessible fresh blood and scent to use. Anyway the first couple times he didn’t really know what a raccoon was. I’d lock him up. Shoot a coon. Use the blood and body, I’d drag it for a yard then lift it and walk a couple yards the drag it again basically repeating process for 30 to 40 yards. After a couple hours, I’d let him out, I’d use the coon tail with a little blood on it, have him sit and sniff it, then give him a treat. I always would say where’s my bag? Let him run and sniff out the coon. When he located it, I’d give him a treat again or a piece of hide to chew. He loved it. Well we do some refresher smelling every summer to get him ready for the fall, last season I got real tricky and barely let the coon skin touch the ground (maybe once every 5 or so yards. I created a long (around 140 yards give or take) looping trail and circled back some (about 20 yards) and nailed the coon about 7’ high in a tree. After 2 and a half hours, I let him out, he sniffed the tail, I said where’s my bag? He began sniffing the ground per usual, he got about 30 yards and the wind picked up. My dog took his nose off the ground stuck it straight in the air and made a dart directly to the tree where the coon was nailed up. He didn’t follow the looping trail, he didn’t get even slightly confused. He made a bee line to that tree and started jumping up trying to fetch that skin. (So much for me being smart) I always wear rubber hip waders and long sleeves when I do this so that he isn’t following my smell only the blood and fur.
Now a deer has more glands in their nose than a hog, a dog, bested only by a few animals (elephant being number one lol) does that actually mean they sniff better? Scientist seem to think so. I said all of this because I feel like their noses are amazing. It’s our intelligence that sets us apart from the animal kingdom. So I know a trained animal can do amazing things with their noses. I also know deer aren’t trained, however they eventually learn to assign danger to specific smells and sounds. So to me, your scent control can be as impacted by the area you hunt as it can anything else. If you hunt an area that is highly visited with human traffic all year long and no one is shooting them until November, they probably don’t associate human smell with danger. It’s why hunting in highly populated urban areas isn’t as challenging in my mind. Deer learn to associate the sounds and smells of humans and they have no reason to fear that sound or smell until you shoot them. If you hunt in flat land, cold areas, thermals can be more problematic in my mind than hill sides where there’s more room for wind to carry. Or even change directions (up draft). I could be wrong but that’s how I see it. Down south it’s hot! Like really hot and the temps from sun rise to 10 am might fluctuate 20 degrees or more in that time. But evenings might not change 8 degrees so I might be in the minority but I don’t worry about thermals as much once I’m in the tree. However no amount of scent lok or control in the world helps control odor when it’s 88 to 95 degrees during bow season (our rut) and you are literally pouring sweat. So for that reason I think the wind is my only friend. If lived in a high pressure area where people are only entering during hunting seasons (such as Sante Fe swamp WMA) , the wind is even more important to me. If I’m like say in Ocala where there’s hunting pressure but year around people are in the woods hiking trails, riding the off road jeep courses, biking ect even though the hunting areas are different, the deer still have interactions with people. They hear them, smell them, see them and never get shot at. So in that place, maybe scent control could be enough to trick that deer into believing it was older and no danger was present. I often ponder how well smell carries in the extreme cold like MI and WI.Hospitals keep it cold because it slows the spread of germs. Part of that is cold air is dense, it sinks to the bottom where draft is less of a concern. Basically it helps keep air spread particles from reaching our respiratory tracks.(notice I said helps not eliminates) I often wonder if you’re in a wooded area with light winds or blocked winds, and real cold weather, if that would help keep the scent right under the tree you hunt. How would thermals work in that situation where your body temperature puts off heat that’s way above the surrounding air temperature? Would that heat some of the air pockets and float? Or would the cold air just force it down to the base of the tree where there would be even less wind to disturb it? I’m not a scientist so I don’t know how that would work. I have theories. And honestly my theories could be way wrong. So I think in certain situations or areas, you might be able to fool a deers nose just like we use calls to fool their ears, or camo and being still to fool their eyes. However there are some situations that I don’t think anything will ever stop your scent from being detected and I don’t care how much Scentlok,scent free detergent, scent free deodorant or whatever else you use. So yea I am torn and since every situation is different, there is no right or wrong answer in my eyes

Those are a lot of good thoughts. My main goal is to limit my scent by using scent free detergent (and no fabric softener/dryer sheets), keep my hunting clothes in a separate tote. I’m fortunate and have deer in the woods near my house often (deer I don’t shoot, haha). Before season I fill the empty tote with leaves, plants and grass from an area where the deer feed. I don’t know if this really helps, but why not…

Wash my clothes, air dry them outside, and then place in the tote to be prepared for hunting season. That’s pretty much all I’ll do for scent control. I don’t trust the man made scent cover.

Purely focused on doing my best from a wind/thermal perspective once I’m out hunting.


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Short answer is yes. Deer can smell you if your downwind no matter what anyone says.

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I realize that you condensed that into the "short answer", but blanket statements like that are arbitrary.
How far exactly is "downwind"? And under what environmental factors changes that distance? Windspeed, humidity, barometric pressure, cloud cover, thermal activity?? How about weaker odor that's found on the fringes of our scent cone? Residual odor from where we walked 2 days, 2 hours or 2 minutes earlier?
Individual humans have differing amounts of odor. Let's face it, no matter how much personal hygiene or odor reduction is practiced, some of us just naturally stink more than others. Just like individual deer don't smell like another deer, humans also have different levels of individual, distinctive odor.
And it has to be put into relation as to how individual deer will react if/when they smell you. Just because a deer detects some level of human odor does not necessarily make a deal breaker.
 
I realize that you condensed that into the "short answer", but blanket statements like that are arbitrary.
How far exactly is "downwind"? ….
Let's face it, no matter how much personal hygiene or odor reduction is practiced, some of us just naturally stink more than others.
If you listen to my wife the night after she cooks chili, this is me, I’m one of those naturally stinky types :sweatsmile:
 
It's really helpful to load OnX hunt and look at the topo and then the dominant wind direction on Weather Underground and then drop milk weed all the time. Then think of the wind like water flowing in a stream where the topo map is like the stream bed. After a year, you'll develop an intuitive sense for wind direction and can look at a map and call it a lot of the times.
@raisins I love this hint and analogy! Keeping with the I am so torn over scent control concepts, I do have a question and it’s another one of those I ponder style questions… so milk weed is light, ultra light and easy to verify wind direction and even changes if you watch it flow down. Do you think our dead skin cells and sweat are equally as light? I know dander would be but what about denser sweat dripped skin cells? Wouldn’t they be heavier and therefore less effected by the wind? Keeping with your stream analogy, when a tidal creek flows some times the top water is still coming in while the under current is already flowing outward. Or even in a stream that runs, all sediment is not the same. Some sediment is lighter and is easily grabbed and moved by the flow, some sediment is larger more dense and is therefore less effected by the flow. That sediment often times sinks to the bottom and stays still unless disturbed or it ever so slowly rolls along the bottom. The light stuff is swept and rapidly carried by the flow. I wonder if that analogy would also apply to our scent, in terms of sweat droplets, dead cells and dander. What are your thoughts?
 
I was in stand a few years ago and I could smell the neighbors doing laundry 350 yards upwind, the scented stuff. It’s strong, after going to scent free laundry detergent I’ll never go back, even if I didn’t hunt.
Let me preface this by 1st saying that I absolutely detest perfumed laundry products (and any of the other perfumed household products). I won't even walk down that isle in the store, the crap nauseates me.
And I'd never wash any of my clothing in the stuff. And I also know what you are talking about smelling dryers running in peoples homes from 350 yards away. I walk thru yards that smell like that during stand access and exit. I often encounter deer directly down wind of those homes. I've become fairly certain that those odors are not alarming to deer. Those deer encounter those odors 365 days per year in areas where homes are not far away. They also get a whiff of it from passing cars on the road. In all of those circumstances, there is never any sort of threat that the deer experience. It's just another incidental odor they encounter. They encounter those perfume odors on a near daily basis with no negative stimuli attached to it. I highly doubt that deer associate odors like that with a hunter in a tree.
 
@raisins I love this hint and analogy! Keeping with the I am so torn over scent control concepts, I do have a question and it’s another one of those I ponder style questions… so milk weed is light, ultra light and easy to verify wind direction and even changes if you watch it flow down. Do you think our dead skin cells and sweat are equally as light? I know dander would be but what about denser sweat dripped skin cells? Wouldn’t they be heavier and therefore less effected by the wind? Keeping with your stream analogy, when a tidal creek flows some times the top water is still coming in while the under current is already flowing outward. Or even in a stream that runs, all sediment is not the same. Some sediment is lighter and is easily grabbed and moved by the flow, some sediment is larger more dense and is therefore less effected by the flow. That sediment often times sinks to the bottom and stays still unless disturbed or it ever so slowly rolls along the bottom. The light stuff is swept and rapidly carried by the flow. I wonder if that analogy would also apply to our scent, in terms of sweat droplets, dead cells and dander. What are your thoughts?
Learn to whitewater paddle and you'll become acutely aware of differing currents, eddies, eddy lines, friction and how all of it changes with different CFS (cubic feet per second). It's really illustrative of how to relate it to wind.
I honestly believe that reading some how-to paddling books helped me a lot with wind basics.
 
@raisins I love this hint and analogy! Keeping with the I am so torn over scent control concepts, I do have a question and it’s another one of those I ponder style questions… so milk weed is light, ultra light and easy to verify wind direction and even changes if you watch it flow down. Do you think our dead skin cells and sweat are equally as light? I know dander would be but what about denser sweat dripped skin cells? Wouldn’t they be heavier and therefore less effected by the wind? Keeping with your stream analogy, when a tidal creek flows some times the top water is still coming in while the under current is already flowing outward. Or even in a stream that runs, all sediment is not the same. Some sediment is lighter and is easily grabbed and moved by the flow, some sediment is larger more dense and is therefore less effected by the flow. That sediment often times sinks to the bottom and stays still unless disturbed or it ever so slowly rolls along the bottom. The light stuff is swept and rapidly carried by the flow. I wonder if that analogy would also apply to our scent, in terms of sweat droplets, dead cells and dander. What are your thoughts?

Good thoughts. Individual molecules can interact with the olfactory cells, but you need enough of the same to "hit" a receptor to trigger a response in the brain of "oh that smells like XYX".... (so one molecule won't do it). So, we are dealing with molecules also. Those probably float around really easily.
 
Let me preface this by 1st saying that I absolutely detest perfumed laundry products (and any of the other perfumed household products). I won't even walk down that isle in the store, the crap nauseates me.
And I'd never wash any of my clothing in the stuff. And I also know what you are talking about smelling dryers running in peoples homes from 350 yards away. I walk thru yards that smell like that during stand access and exit. I often encounter deer directly down wind of those homes. I've become fairly certain that those odors are not alarming to deer. Those deer encounter those odors 365 days per year in areas where homes are not far away. They also get a whiff of it from passing cars on the road. In all of those circumstances, there is never any sort of threat that the deer experience. It's just another incidental odor they encounter. They encounter those perfume odors on a near daily basis with no negative stimuli attached to it. I highly doubt that deer associate odors like that with a hunter in a tree.
Just like anything, so many variables. Yes if deer are smelling it frequently it would be less likely to spook em, at the same time it might be useless as a ‘cover scent’ since they’ve got that stereo scent detection capability and probably smell my armpits even within the “Spring Showers” detergent I’m using. But also if I take that scent down to some river bottoms where they’re not used to encountering it, maybe it does work against you there.

Side note the following day the wind had shifted, now drawing from me toward that house… group of does pegged me at 250 yards in that setup, crossing my wind there.

All things considered I do still like knowing my clothes are non perfume laundered, boots are as scent free as possible, I’m showered, and most items have had an ozone bath.
 
Learn to whitewater paddle and you'll become acutely aware of differing currents, eddies, eddy lines, friction and how all of it changes with different CFS (cubic feet per second). It's really illustrative of how to relate it to wind.
I honestly believe that reading some how-to paddling books helped me a lot with wind basics.
I could see that being relative but on a much much lower scale. I mean unless you’re constantly dealing with 30 to 40 mph winds and hills that are constantly dipping and rising as opposed to gradual rolling style hills, I couldn’t imagine the wind having as many determining factors as white water rapids though. I think I understand the similarities though. We go white water paddling about once a year in SC near the Ga border and occasionally in NC/TN. I am by no means an expert at that and have never read a book. Only a hobbyist. With that said which paddling book would you recommend both as someone who enjoys white water paddles occasionally and who also wants to better understand how it relates to the wind?
 
Not picking a fight but again this doesn’t relate to a real hunting scenario. So here are a couple. First let me say I practice scent control and have been using properly cared for scentlok clothes over a decade. This first buck was shot on heavily pressured land in PA on Election Day last year. He followed my trail right to the base of my tree stood there for two minutes scent checking the wind then turned and walked away giving me a quartering away shot. He went 30 yards and fell over dead. The second buck I shot on pressured land but in Ohio. It was 73 degrees out (you can see the sweat on my forehead) and he walked 10 yards downwind of me and crossed my entrance trail. Never spooked or paused from his gate. Shot him perfectly broadside double lung. He jumped looked back stuck his nose in the air to smell what just happened and fell over dead. I have taken 12 mature bucks in 10 straight years on pressured land (3 P&Y the biggest 156”) none of them have smelled me and several walked over my trail or were down wind of me before taken. If during this time I kept getting winded I would no longer be using this technique. If properly done you CAN get away with more than you think. I pay no attention to any tests done that are not real hunting scenarios and you shouldn’t either. Good luck to all this season.
Just something to ponder...and since they are animals and the fact they are dead make this hard to know for certain...do you think this was more that they didn't smell you or that they weren't alarmed/interested by your smell.

I'd wager that in most circumstances, things are more on the not alarmed side than the didn't smell side. Watching dogs, cats, wild animals in person or on camera...you know they are smelling everything but they aren't constantly putting their nose to the ground inspecting everything.
 
Just like anything, so many variables. Yes if deer are smelling it frequently it would be less likely to spook em, at the same time it might be useless as a ‘cover scent’ since they’ve got that stereo scent detection capability and probably smell my armpits even within the “Spring Showers” detergent I’m using. But also if I take that scent down to some river bottoms where they’re not used to encountering it, maybe it does work against you there.

Side note the following day the wind had shifted, now drawing from me toward that house… group of does pegged me at 250 yards in that setup, crossing my wind there.

All things considered I do still like knowing my clothes are non perfume laundered, boots are as scent free as possible, I’m showered, and most items have had an ozone bath.
Oh you betcha.
I'm an odor reduction fanatic but I'm convinced that its true human odor that alarms deer, not incidental chemical odors that deer encounter constantly in an industrialized world. I want to get as close to zero odor as I can obtain (I do realize "zero" is impossible to achieve) and I believe every percentage we can reduce will improve our odds to some degree. Every little bit helps.
 
More food for thought. Everyone talks about using milkweed but if your hands smell like gas because you just filled your tank on the way to the woods, then aren't you just sending out a constant scent cone of "I'm a human and I'm hear to kill you" billboard of scent? Yes I realize most of us probably wouldn't do that but just an example. You could have the smell of scratching your groin or some other "human" scent on your hands and be broadcasting it though.
 
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