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Screw or Autolock Carabiner?

Screw or Auto Lock Carabiner

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tailgunner said:
only roll with non locking.just an extra part i dont need.extra step i dont need.extra sound i dont need .all i need is personal awareness.i just climbed a ladder at work with a hundred pound roll of cap sheet on my shoulder no linemens no three point contact .osha does not aprove this.am i stupid .....yep
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When I was young I’d help my dad on roofs during the summer. We would always haul rolls of 30lbs felt or roll roofing up ladders... I didn’t find out it was not “safe” until some years later when I began doing utility work.
Evidently osha doesn’t approve of carrying anything up an extension ladder.
 
Fl Canopy Stalker said:
When I was young I’d help my dad on roofs during the summer. We would always haul rolls of 30lbs felt or roll roofing up ladders... I didn’t find out it was not “safe” until some years later when I began doing utility work.
Evidently osha doesn’t approve of carrying anything up an extension ladder.
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When I was young my parents put a 2nd floor addition on the house. We did some of the work ourselves, the builder fell and broke some stuff. He was an expert builder, sometimes crap happens.

He had insurance. I do too, but I'd rather not use it. Good routine and locking carabiner hopefully keeps me safe. Stuff can still happen though. Risk mitigation is still worth it in my book.
 
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Plebe said:
When I was young my parents put a 2nd floor addition on the house. We did some of the work ourselves, the builder fell and broke some stuff. He was an expert builder, sometimes crap happens.

He had insurance. I do too, but I'd rather not use it. Good routine and locking carabiner hopefully keeps me safe. Stuff can still happen though. Risk mitigation is worth it in my book though.
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I totally agree. I didn’t have common sense in my teenage years. I’m now about to be 40 and my outlook on life is just like yours. I only use carabiners from SMC because they (and rock exotica) are the only true American manufactured carabiners left. All the others have moved over to Asia for reduced manufacturing costs. In fact I won’t use saddles that use those cheap little “quick release” buckles for the waste straps. I only want to look down and see Cobra by Austria Alpin or an ADF raptor. I like to know the thing that straps me to the saddle has been properly break and load tested. I noticed one or two of the saddle manufacturers was using actual rigger belts that I can buy from Amazon for less than $12 and they literally say tensile strength is 1100 pounds (but the “buckle rating” says 24 kn). I don’t trust my life to that, I don’t care how comfy someone says it is, if you have one oops and fall to the ground, your life, your family, your kids, all of it is changed forever. I like calculated risks these days. And with ISO 9001 and other safety protocols, I know that the items I use are more likely to be free of defaults.
 
tailgunner said:
break a 24 kn is hard even from china .in my experiance most good people feel they dont deserve to die.i dont have that problem
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Do you truly believe those fake cobra buckles are 24kn strength? There are you tube videos that prove otherwise. In fact you can order them with your name on them from global source for $3 a piece minimum quantities of 1000 of course
 
Fl Canopy Stalker said:
I totally agree. I didn’t have common sense in my teenage years. I’m now about to be 40 and my outlook on life is just like yours. I only use carabiners from SMC because they (and rock exotica) are the only true American manufactured carabiners left. All the others have moved over to Asia for reduced manufacturing costs. In fact I won’t use saddles that use those cheap little “quick release” buckles for the waste straps. I only want to look down and see Cobra by Austria Alpin or an ADF raptor. I like to know the thing that straps me to the saddle has been properly break and load tested. I noticed one or two of the saddle manufacturers was using actual rigger belts that I can buy from Amazon for less than $12 and they literally say tensile strength is 1100 pounds (but the “buckle rating” says 24 kn). I don’t trust my life to that, I don’t care how comfy someone says it is, if you have one oops and fall to the ground, your life, your family, your kids, all of it is changed forever. I like calculated risks these days. And with ISO 9001 and other safety protocols, I know that the items I use are more likely to be free of defaults.
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Me too, my safety awareness has definitely increased from this site. Sometimes its good to look back and wonder how the hell I'm still around so I can have the sense to do what it takes to stay around.
 
Fl Canopy Stalker said:
I totally agree. I didn’t have common sense in my teenage years. I’m now about to be 40 and my outlook on life is just like yours. I only use carabiners from SMC because they (and rock exotica) are the only true American manufactured carabiners left. All the others have moved over to Asia for reduced manufacturing costs. In fact I won’t use saddles that use those cheap little “quick release” buckles for the waste straps. I only want to look down and see Cobra by Austria Alpin or an ADF raptor. I like to know the thing that straps me to the saddle has been properly break and load tested. I noticed one or two of the saddle manufacturers was using actual rigger belts that I can buy from Amazon for less than $12 and they literally say tensile strength is 1100 pounds (but the “buckle rating” says 24 kn). I don’t trust my life to that, I don’t care how comfy someone says it is, if you have one oops and fall to the ground, your life, your family, your kids, all of it is changed forever. I like calculated risks these days. And with ISO 9001 and other safety protocols, I know that the items I use are more likely to be free of defaults.
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Can u give a hypothetical situation were the waist belt would be shock loaded? I guess if u stood up from leaning position and had slack in ur tether and ur platform broke simultaneously before u could take the slack out?
 
Weldabeast said:
Can u give a hypothetical situation were the waist belt would be shock loaded? I guess if u stood up from leaning position and had slack in ur tether and ur platform broke simultaneously before u could take the slack out?
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Yea any scenario where your platform or strap for steps fail could potentially end up shock loading your system. You could be leaning out and lose footing, it might not be a true fall by definition but a swinging load produces more force than a static load. I’ve seen lineman and arborist shock load their work positioning harnesses from cut outs in spikes with a little too much slack in the line (before the buck squeeze.) I’m not saying it happens all the time but any time you are in a standing style position and have an unexpected fall you have potential to have load to your waste belt. Saddles are work positioning harnesses and are not really for fall arrest because of the damage they can do to your spine when they catch you. They are fall restraints which is probably why TMA doesn’t recognize them (yet). Anyway not trying to harp on any particular person or product, all I am saying is my personal choice is to use products that I KNOW pass safety standards. That’s all. But there again I wouldn’t wear blue to hunt out of either and you have pics of you rockin a blue hoodie over a dead buck so I’m not saying I am correct, I am only saying I personally don’t trust my life to an Amazon riggers belt.
 
Fl Canopy Stalker said:
Yea any scenario where your platform or strap for steps fail could potentially end up shock loading your system. You could be leaning out and lose footing, it might not be a true fall by definition but a swinging load produces more force than a static load. I’ve seen lineman and arborist shock load their work positioning harnesses from cut outs in spikes with a little too much slack in the line (before the buck squeeze.) I’m not saying it happens all the time but any time you are in a standing style position and have an unexpected fall you have potential to have load to your waste belt. Saddles are work positioning harnesses and are not really for fall arrest because of the damage they can do to your spine when they catch you. They are fall restraints which is probably why TMA doesn’t recognize them (yet). Anyway not trying to harp on any particular person or product, all I am saying is my personal choice is to use products that I KNOW pass safety standards. That’s all. But there again I wouldn’t wear blue to hunt out of either and you have pics of you rockin a blue hoodie over a dead buck so I’m not saying I am correct, I am only saying I personally don’t trust my life to an Amazon riggers belt.
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No no...that isn't me. That is my fellow timberpimp brother @BCHunter in the smurf suit.


@Fl Canopy Stalker here some good bathroom reading....


https://saddlehunter.com/community/index.php?threads/timberpimp.29620/
 
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GCTerpfan said:
I hope you don't use these for life support and I REALLY hope a new saddle hunter doesn't see this post and think these are acceptable. These will break, it's just a matter of "when".
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For any new guys considering non-locking carabiners for your setup here is a video from our own @Nutterbuster showing exactly why they are not considered good practice. See about the one minute mark for a visual example. You may say, "What are the odds of this really happening?" In reality, they are actually pretty good. Its a well known failure mode.

All it takes is a little slack in your lineman's between where you're holding it and where its attached to your saddle, a slight twist of the line and you lean back expecting the rope to take your weight and it pulls through. Next thing you know you're laying flat on your back wondering what the heck happened. Don't risk using a non-locker just to save a second or two.

 
Auto lock for me. I also went back to 1/2 rope. Stronger, easier to work with. Auto lock three step forces me to slow down and be safe. I never understood why people are in such a hurry to get up the tree.

Speed kills when it comes to climbing.

I used to work with a guy who's nickname was "Cat". They called him that cuz he was the slowest tree climber in our crew. He was slow, but never made mistakes.

We had another guy who was the opposite. The ground crew never walked under the tree bc you never knew what was falling next.

Slow is smooth and smooth is fast.

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Screw locks for me. I've had autolocks freeze in cold weather, I've also had older autolocks fail to autolock.
 
Had an amazing pucker moment with a fusion auto locker from my og kestrel setup. Screw lock ever since, it’s absolutely nothing to do with the speed. But I KNOW it’s locked every time.....
 
im a sertified rigger with 25 years of working under cranes .rollout is nothing new to me there are no locks on a crane rig 4 link .i depend on my eyes and hands no mechanism.im competant in what i do but never recamend to any one what i do.hey kids drop out and be a roofer .that dont fly .im not debaiting whats right wrong or safer just what i do.just stating facts .an aluminum caribiner will stretch an inch an a half befor breaking .i myself am competant enuff to notice that .they will bend to 45 degreas be for they break .and if i dont notice that i deserve what i get.im being held up by thread.yesturday i couldnt spell ruffer today i r 1
 
I love the red safety indicator on the Petzl screw locks and the ability to visually check them periodically. I'm OCD about checking carabiners, so forgetting to lock one isn't a concern at all.
 
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