tailgunner
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And they are from china...I know
When I was young I’d help my dad on roofs during the summer. We would always haul rolls of 30lbs felt or roll roofing up ladders... I didn’t find out it was not “safe” until some years later when I began doing utility work.only roll with non locking.just an extra part i dont need.extra step i dont need.extra sound i dont need .all i need is personal awareness.i just climbed a ladder at work with a hundred pound roll of cap sheet on my shoulder no linemens no three point contact .osha does not aprove this.am i stupid .....yep
When I was young I’d help my dad on roofs during the summer. We would always haul rolls of 30lbs felt or roll roofing up ladders... I didn’t find out it was not “safe” until some years later when I began doing utility work.
Evidently osha doesn’t approve of carrying anything up an extension ladder.
I totally agree. I didn’t have common sense in my teenage years. I’m now about to be 40 and my outlook on life is just like yours. I only use carabiners from SMC because they (and rock exotica) are the only true American manufactured carabiners left. All the others have moved over to Asia for reduced manufacturing costs. In fact I won’t use saddles that use those cheap little “quick release” buckles for the waste straps. I only want to look down and see Cobra by Austria Alpin or an ADF raptor. I like to know the thing that straps me to the saddle has been properly break and load tested. I noticed one or two of the saddle manufacturers was using actual rigger belts that I can buy from Amazon for less than $12 and they literally say tensile strength is 1100 pounds (but the “buckle rating” says 24 kn). I don’t trust my life to that, I don’t care how comfy someone says it is, if you have one oops and fall to the ground, your life, your family, your kids, all of it is changed forever. I like calculated risks these days. And with ISO 9001 and other safety protocols, I know that the items I use are more likely to be free of defaults.When I was young my parents put a 2nd floor addition on the house. We did some of the work ourselves, the builder fell and broke some stuff. He was an expert builder, sometimes crap happens.
He had insurance. I do too, but I'd rather not use it. Good routine and locking carabiner hopefully keeps me safe. Stuff can still happen though. Risk mitigation is worth it in my book though.
Do you truly believe those fake cobra buckles are 24kn strength? There are you tube videos that prove otherwise. In fact you can order them with your name on them from global source for $3 a piece minimum quantities of 1000 of coursebreak a 24 kn is hard even from china .in my experiance most good people feel they dont deserve to die.i dont have that problem
I totally agree. I didn’t have common sense in my teenage years. I’m now about to be 40 and my outlook on life is just like yours. I only use carabiners from SMC because they (and rock exotica) are the only true American manufactured carabiners left. All the others have moved over to Asia for reduced manufacturing costs. In fact I won’t use saddles that use those cheap little “quick release” buckles for the waste straps. I only want to look down and see Cobra by Austria Alpin or an ADF raptor. I like to know the thing that straps me to the saddle has been properly break and load tested. I noticed one or two of the saddle manufacturers was using actual rigger belts that I can buy from Amazon for less than $12 and they literally say tensile strength is 1100 pounds (but the “buckle rating” says 24 kn). I don’t trust my life to that, I don’t care how comfy someone says it is, if you have one oops and fall to the ground, your life, your family, your kids, all of it is changed forever. I like calculated risks these days. And with ISO 9001 and other safety protocols, I know that the items I use are more likely to be free of defaults.
Can u give a hypothetical situation were the waist belt would be shock loaded? I guess if u stood up from leaning position and had slack in ur tether and ur platform broke simultaneously before u could take the slack out?I totally agree. I didn’t have common sense in my teenage years. I’m now about to be 40 and my outlook on life is just like yours. I only use carabiners from SMC because they (and rock exotica) are the only true American manufactured carabiners left. All the others have moved over to Asia for reduced manufacturing costs. In fact I won’t use saddles that use those cheap little “quick release” buckles for the waste straps. I only want to look down and see Cobra by Austria Alpin or an ADF raptor. I like to know the thing that straps me to the saddle has been properly break and load tested. I noticed one or two of the saddle manufacturers was using actual rigger belts that I can buy from Amazon for less than $12 and they literally say tensile strength is 1100 pounds (but the “buckle rating” says 24 kn). I don’t trust my life to that, I don’t care how comfy someone says it is, if you have one oops and fall to the ground, your life, your family, your kids, all of it is changed forever. I like calculated risks these days. And with ISO 9001 and other safety protocols, I know that the items I use are more likely to be free of defaults.
Yea any scenario where your platform or strap for steps fail could potentially end up shock loading your system. You could be leaning out and lose footing, it might not be a true fall by definition but a swinging load produces more force than a static load. I’ve seen lineman and arborist shock load their work positioning harnesses from cut outs in spikes with a little too much slack in the line (before the buck squeeze.) I’m not saying it happens all the time but any time you are in a standing style position and have an unexpected fall you have potential to have load to your waste belt. Saddles are work positioning harnesses and are not really for fall arrest because of the damage they can do to your spine when they catch you. They are fall restraints which is probably why TMA doesn’t recognize them (yet). Anyway not trying to harp on any particular person or product, all I am saying is my personal choice is to use products that I KNOW pass safety standards. That’s all. But there again I wouldn’t wear blue to hunt out of either and you have pics of you rockin a blue hoodie over a dead buck so I’m not saying I am correct, I am only saying I personally don’t trust my life to an Amazon riggers belt.Can u give a hypothetical situation were the waist belt would be shock loaded? I guess if u stood up from leaning position and had slack in ur tether and ur platform broke simultaneously before u could take the slack out?
No no...that isn't me. That is my fellow timberpimp brother @BCHunter in the smurf suit.Yea any scenario where your platform or strap for steps fail could potentially end up shock loading your system. You could be leaning out and lose footing, it might not be a true fall by definition but a swinging load produces more force than a static load. I’ve seen lineman and arborist shock load their work positioning harnesses from cut outs in spikes with a little too much slack in the line (before the buck squeeze.) I’m not saying it happens all the time but any time you are in a standing style position and have an unexpected fall you have potential to have load to your waste belt. Saddles are work positioning harnesses and are not really for fall arrest because of the damage they can do to your spine when they catch you. They are fall restraints which is probably why TMA doesn’t recognize them (yet). Anyway not trying to harp on any particular person or product, all I am saying is my personal choice is to use products that I KNOW pass safety standards. That’s all. But there again I wouldn’t wear blue to hunt out of either and you have pics of you rockin a blue hoodie over a dead buck so I’m not saying I am correct, I am only saying I personally don’t trust my life to an Amazon riggers belt.
For any new guys considering non-locking carabiners for your setup here is a video from our own @Nutterbuster showing exactly why they are not considered good practice. See about the one minute mark for a visual example. You may say, "What are the odds of this really happening?" In reality, they are actually pretty good. Its a well known failure mode.I hope you don't use these for life support and I REALLY hope a new saddle hunter doesn't see this post and think these are acceptable. These will break, it's just a matter of "when".