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Shot placement article

I think it's good that they acknowledged the error, and it's good to know that the creator of the image didn't intend for it to be used the way it was interpreted.

I still agree with the original authors takeaway. Just think he was right for the wrong reason. There's more room for error further back.
 
I think the concern is that we all know how people "read" or "interpret" information. The nuanced subtleness of information or misinformation from a general public information standpoint. People only read or hear what they want to read or hear. I can be this way a lot..... just ask my wife.

For the general bowhunting vernacular to move away from aiming at the "boiler-room" aka heart lung area to the "vital-V" or point of the shoulder is going to confuse and cause problems and most likely cause increases in wounding loss. I tend to agree with that assessment. We as bowhunters should not be advocating for shoulder shots whatsoever. However, from an individual standpoint, if you have confidence in your setup and you're shooting heavy arrows and structurally sound broadheads with an EFOC and you feel confident in aiming for the shoulder for whatever reason.... I am not going to criticize somebody for that. But for the ill-informed or misinformed to now begin to hear via osmosis or group think or group talk that you can aim for the shoulder with a coc broadhead or worse, a mechanical........ we're going to have more and more problems in my opinion.

I think the base line recommendation should stay the same with shot placement, shot angle and the like. It's not our obligation to move people to now aim at different locations on an animal. IMHO, its our obligation overall as a group to continue to reinforce taking the right shot at the right angle at the right target on that animal. In other words, To try and justify going to a heavier arrow setup so you can take more marginal shots is a double negative in my book. Instead, advocating for a heavier arrow setup so you have a hunting system that will perform efficiently and effectively in case something goes wrong while you're aiming at the right place on the animal is a better approach. The "Plan B" arrow. NOT an arrow to create a "Plan B."
 
Plebe said:
Hmmm.


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I shot a buck from the ground just about exactly an inch above the pin in the top picture. 3 days later he was back in the same plot chasing a doe(trail cam pics). Shot was just about exactly broadside but the deer dropped and turned away. I fully believe that shot, because of the deer reaction, went above the spine. I have killed 2 hit pretty much in the exact same spot and both were center spine but were shot from a tree. What we see, think and reality doesnt always align. Esp when the critter gets a vote.
 
BTaylor said:
I shot a buck from the ground just about exactly an inch above the pin in the top picture. 3 days later he was back in the same plot chasing a doe(trail cam pics). Shot was just about exactly broadside but the deer dropped and turned away. I fully believe that shot, because of the deer reaction, went above the spine. I have killed 2 hit pretty much in the exact same spot and both were center spine but were shot from a tree. What we see, think and reality doesnt always align. Esp when the critter gets a vote.
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Plebe said:
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I caught that and think I was hmm'ing the same thing you were. Was just relating my experience on 3 deer shot in the virtually the exact same spot. From the ground with a bow it resulted in an unrecovered non-fatal hit. Deer was back the next year too. From a tree both were drt. If you want an absolute in deer killing, using a gun and taking head shots may be as close as there is.
 
Plebe said:
How so, specifically?
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Hope you do not mind if I take a stab at this?

Again Ashby's 12 factors list the elements that effectively improve the archery hunters likelihood of full penetration even when things go wrong. ( Example of what's constitutes things going wrong, Generally sorry event of impacting large bone) Link offered below If you have time & hopefully a genuine intrest.

12 Arrow Penetration Factors — Ashby Bowhunting Foundation

www.ashbybowhunting.org www.ashbybowhunting.org

Also how arrows fly may help an archery hunter wrap their head around the benefits of High FOC which is only the third factor in the list of twelve factors. A concept many of us may benefit from gaining a better understanding of is Arrows are flying until they come to a complete stop. Rocket Man, touches on factors of stable arrow flight. Most of the information provided in the YT video below revolves around arrow flight up til impact.

At impact the arrow is still flying until the arrow has come to a stop. I'll argue as will Ashby that our goal should be to have the arrow not come to a stop until passing through the game animal. Preferred example here is a double lung shot.

When the arrow with the very sharp broad-head passes completely through the chest cavity the BH is cutting its way through the entrance & exit side of the chest cavity. Not only do we gain lethality by cleanly severing blood vessels & lungs causing Exsanguination. The quickness of the lethality is also achieved by reducing the efectivness of the diaphragm function.

The diaphragm will allow the lungs to take in and exhale air. The two holes in the chest cavity gives the air an alternate location for the air to enter & exit the chest cavity as opposed to through the lungs. Stealing the air flow through the lungs is a major factor in decreasing the distance the deer travels prior to going down for the count.

In the link below Rocket man & the guys touch on why the center of pressure & center of gravity effect arrow flight. From impact on Center of gravity forward is what stabilizes the arrow to minimize deflection. High FOC really does improve your chance of full penetration.

 
Plebe said:
How so, specifically?
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The ranch owners of Texas were getting fed up with the wounding losses. They see this as an improvement, since it has already been proven effective in Africa. To add this: Bowhunting was illegal in Africa, until Dr. Ed Ashby worked with the African DWS and made thousands of kills on various game animals with a bow, to prove the lethality of archery.
I hope this helps answer your question. :)

I had to add/edit this to say: I like the entire statement of @SD Guy :cool: Plus, the video!
 
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BowhunterXC said:
The ranch owners of Texas were getting fed up with the wounding losses. They see this as an improvement, since it has already been proven effective in Africa. To add this: Bowhunting was illegal in Africa, until Dr. Ed Ashby worked with the African DWS and made thousands of kills on various game animals with a bow, to prove the lethality of archery.
I hope this helps answer your question. :)

I had to add/edit this to say: I like the entire statement of @SD Guy :cool: Plus, the video!
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I still don’t understand. When you say Texas FWS has adopted these guidelines, what are the guidelines and how did they adopt them. That’s my question.
 
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