Spartan Forge Desktop App Takes Monumental Leap

[Rutman]

The best AI on the planet can’t beat a deers nose and senses… you could pinpoint a buck with a drone and still not kill it.


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[Genesis]

I need help also in moving points from HuntStand to SF

 

[Genesis]

I need help also in moving points from HuntStand to SF

 

[dalton916]

Unless the drone had a bomb bay……just saying. I’ve encountered a few does in the nearly 50 years I’ve hunted that I would drop a bomb on without hesitation. One of them still lives. The BOD, Bitch of the Ditch, is the most obstinate, ill mannered hussy to ever walk the face of the earth. Her sole purpose in life is to find you and alert the everything in earshot to your presence. I’m fairly certain she uses thermal imaging. Im also fairly certain that her mule faced *** is an eternal being that will never die.

 

[Jammintree]

Just to clarify, I’m not worried that this AI tech is unfair to deer or poses an unreasonable threat…

my concern is that the human brain is getting lazy and weak.

 

[CooterBrown]

Any idea how to create a hunt area?

 

[BTaylor]

Any idea how to create a hunt area?

Splain to me what you mean by a hunt area. I messed with it a little yesterday evening and didnt find anything that I thought might be what you are looking for. There is a tool to measure an area and you can create an area for an offline map but I am guessing those are not what you mean.

 

[CooterBrown]

Splain to me what you mean by a hunt area. I messed with it a little yesterday evening and didnt find anything that I thought might be what you are looking for. There is a tool to measure an area and you can create an area for an offline map but I am guessing those are not what you mean.

So HS has the ability to make different hunt areas and has a list of them. Like my alabama property is one and then my out of state property is another area. So when i pull up one area i only see the pins for that area.

 

[BTaylor]

Just to clarify, I’m not worried that this AI tech is unfair to deer or poses an unreasonable threat…

my concern is that the human brain is getting lazy and weak.

The AI concepts he was working on and are being hinted at in this thread will never consistently be an easy button. Ai cant factor in people pressure and it cant accurately in all cases tell you what the air movement is going to do. It can tell you what the wind forecast is, where it is currently blowing from at the nearest weather station and predict what thermals should do but reality, at least in my experience seldom matches. It could be an indicator of movement based on atmospheric and lunar conditions if there is collar data that supports it but not much more than that as best I can tell. The only thing the app would save there is the time to check the moon position and current weather conditions since it would be on your phone. The only way the collar data could even start to have any accuracy there is if the collared herd was absent of any human intrusion but then we are right back to the inaccuracy in applying the data to a herd with human intrusion. I'm just a dumb redneck though so there might be some other way to apply data that actually would increase the odds of success.

 

[Plebe]

The best AI on the planet can’t beat a deers nose and senses… you could pinpoint a buck with a drone and still not kill it.

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This sounds great. Lets send realtime data simultaneously to all subscribers on the exact positions of P&Y and B&C bucks and watch that mess in the woods happen.

 

[BTaylor]

So HS has the ability to make different hunt areas and has a list of them. Like my alabama property is one and then my out of state property is another area. So when i pull up one area i only see the pins for that area.

Offline maps would sorta do that. It may be a bigger area that you are used to in HS though. I havent messed with that app since the first year or two it was out so I am not sure how it works now.

 

[Horn]

I haven't played with SF yet but sounds like you could use folders in OnX to do the same thing. Is there a similar feature in SF? I do plan on playing with this, when I have time. The way it's going that's looking like 10-1-23 lol

 

[SNIPERBBB]

Just to clarify, I’m not worried that this AI tech is unfair to deer or poses an unreasonable threat…

my concern is that the human brain is getting lazy and weak.

I doubt the AI would be ever be able to predict how deer will react to pressure well enough to be useful for hunting purposes. Its not going to know where the food is, where the cover is . That's where the game is. Anyone can hunt deer that dont feel pressure.

 

[Arrowsquirrel]

This conversation makes me feel like a cynical old man (which I’m neither).

Using collard Deer data is precisely what I’m worried about. Hunting doesn’t need any more easy buttons. When you put all these technologies together you remove the need for skill. If people want an easier go at hunting then they can head to a region with an excessive deer population - at least that way they are learning and helping to keep a healthy herd.

Once the software exists to predict deer
Movement based on collared deer data, the apps will absolutely be incentivized to mine user data to refine the accuracy of software.

I hope the next generation of hunters will be more skillful and effective than we are, but not because Siri told them where to go and how to get there.

Hey I absolutely agree that we don't need any more easy buttons. I guess the reason this app doesn't bother me is because I don't think it does what it says or really gives useful enough info to make a difference. It's more just a thing to check like a condensed form of the weather. I watched it some this last year and maybe I just don't know how to use the data but I couldn't see any correlation to actual deer. I guess what I'm saying is I kinda think it's a gimmick. Hunting is way to situational and complicated for app to really help much in my experience.

On the subject of it using user data. I get what you are saying. I just don't see how anybody could pull useful data out of user data. Not that they are to honorable to try...

I guess bottom line is I don't think technology in this form will ever make a big difference to hunting.

 

[elk yinzer]

I agree on the AI, seeing all the more it's progressed, I've cooled off to the point where I would give it a try. He was stupid as all get out to come out of the gate spouting off about that but I'll chalk it up to his combat mentality bleeding over.

I just don't ever want to see any of these apps include any degree of location assistance because I think that is just a bridge crossed that we don't need to cross. And if AI is involved with that, it is going to be using our data to build it out, no ifs, ands, buts, or collared deer about it. About the very last thing we need is project maven brought to the deer woods, thanks but no thanks.

 

[dalton916]

Hunt Area: you can create tracks with SF, correct? Ok, create a track around what you deem to be your Hunt Area and label it accordingly.

AI: for deer hunting purposes this will never be more than a generalization so I wouldn’t get too excited about it. There’s too many uncontrolled factors at play such as a squirrel misses a limb and crashes to the ground just out of site a deer….but not out of hearing so this scares the bejeezus out of the deer and suddenly it has rerouted, lol.

But now that you’ve mentioned it and gotten it on my radar: where I would go with this AI if I had the capability would be to build into the algorithm what MY anecdotal beliefs tell me a deer would do, what terrain influences are, etc. The end product being prediction software that would take the beliefs I have built into MY brain, look at a DEM, weather forecast and whatever other data is available and do my scouting for me…….

 

[CooterBrown]

Hunt Area: you can create tracks with SF, correct? Ok, create a track around what you deem to be your Hunt Area and label it accordingly.

AI: for deer hunting purposes this will never be more than a generalization so I wouldn’t get too excited about it. There’s too many uncontrolled factors at play such as a squirrel misses a limb and crashes to the ground just out of site a deer….but not out of hearing so this scares the bejeezus out of the deer and suddenly it has rerouted, lol.

But now that you’ve mentioned it and gotten it on my radar: where I would go with this AI if I had the capability would be to build into the algorithm what MY anecdotal beliefs tell me a deer would do, what terrain influences are, etc. The end product being prediction software that would take the beliefs I have built into MY brain, look at a DEM, weather forecast and whatever other data is available and do my scouting for me…….

Ok that will mark that area but I cant walk my local whole WMA.

 

[dalton916]

Can you not creat a track manually??? If not that’s a MAJOR oversight on SF’s part. For instance, creating a track based on topography ahead of time, etc.

 

[dalton916]

Ok, I downloaded the thing because I couldn’t believe you could not creat a route ahead of time.

Didn’t take long to figure it out

Go to measure/measure distance

Use the cursor and the plus sign (this one “+”….) to lay down the “track” and close it back to the beginning point.

Now “Save Distance”.

Voila! You now have a “ hunt area”.

ETA: further investigation reveals that you can use the “area” feature as well to do the very same thing.

I like the distance better, but that’s personal preference.

 

[dalton916]

Go here to delete them

I’m sure you can also highlight them on the map by touching them and delete them, but the above method is easier (I know this I’ve deleted several waypoints already that I created in error by double tapping the compass, lol)