This is why bears suck

[Topdog]

Well just like anything they balance our ecosystem sometimes in a way we cannot understand. If they were like feral hogs than I would say they aren't good for much. BUT, for the most part bears are not invasive. The population increase, if not managed by hunting, would eventually level out and cause a die off just like how rabbits, bobcats and coyotes have population booms and die offs.

I myself enjoy seeing, hunting and eating bear. It's something I was raised doing just like hunting whitetail. They aren't much a nuisance here besides in town dumps. For the most part they leave crops alone up here and chow on the plentiful blueberry and raspberry crop we have every year. People rarely see them outside of hunting conditions and we have a very healthy bear population. Black ghosts they are... I get the farmer frustration standpoint though!

And that is because you can bait in Maine, and control the numbers, take away baiting and dogs and let me know what you think of them then, I have over 20 years experience with farmers and DEC bear biologists off and on with nuisance permits and can tell you in upstate NY our numbers are exploding, I would guarantee you about 1% of bears that are harvested each year are from means other than baiting and dogs, anybody can sit on a pile of donuts and grease pit and kill bears, make that illegal and see what happens to your numbers, they will explode and then these problems happen.

 

[Ontariofarmer]

Im honestly kinda surprised by yall. The hunting community toots its own horn about "true" conservationism an awful lot to be advocating an all out vendetta against a native species whose habitats *we* are encroaching on.

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Sounds like we are parasites. We actually provide excellent habitat for bears and groundhogs and urban deer.
One warden told me farmers provide food to support more animals than the original habitat.
Farmers and hunters are generally good stewards of the environment.
God planted a garden and told Adam to look after it. I am doing Adams job now


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[Allegheny Tom]

Im honestly kinda surprised by yall. The hunting community toots its own horn about "true" conservationism an awful lot to be advocating an all out vendetta against a native species whose habitats *we* are encroaching on.

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I get a little tired of the argument that all wildlife are wonderful and humans are just encroaching on "their" habitat.
I'm a naturally created critter of this planet too. I have the same right to live where I do as any wild animal. And if any of them wreck my stuff then I'm gonna utilize legal methods to rectify the problem. Whether is a termite, a groundhog, or a bear.

 

[Topdog]

What they need to do in NY is legalize baiting and hounds for bears and expand the season and get numbers under control to avoid these problems before they happen, the random deer hunter poking a bear every once in a while is not enough, control the numbers in a regulated and conservative effort rather than having all this crap happen to everybody's crops, there always has and always will be bear problems but if you can control the numbers better it would lessen the whole mess.

 

[boyne bowhunter]

It's all about perspective . . .for example, I was hunting on a buddies property in southern Illinois a few years back. He's a remote landowner and has a farmer he leases the land to. In the evenings after hunting we'd be sitting around the campfire with the farmer and his brother (owner of the local auto body shop) having a few barley sodas. We'd be talking about the deer we saw and deer we passed on and the farmer would get all worked up at us passing deer. "Shoot 'em all" he'd say, "they're nothing but big brown rats!" His brother on the other hand was more toward not shooting them. "Don't kill 'em" he'd say " they're all a potential walking collision repair!"

 

[Blinginpse]

Nobody will understand the dislike for bears or deer until they've put 50,000$ into the ground to watch it be demolished and in turn puts their livelihood at a urgency. You start messing with someone livelihood and their bank account and you'll see folks go sideways in ways they say they never would. Hunters that don't own land or such wanna protect deer and bears and conservation yada yada and such cause they want to go to their leased farm and see 40 deer a day and have the best hunt ever evey time they go. They don't want to shoot does cause they want that big buck not thinking about farmers money amd them.asking you to ahoot the does.

Im here to tell ya, I love hunting and seeing deer and wuch but im.a farmer and when these boys call me in to help on these permits I go in and I whack their asses. Cause as a farmer I know what they deal with. Farmer asks you to shoot a few does do it. It will benefit you by letting u keep that lease rather than him finding someone that will do what you wont

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[HuntNorthEast]

And that is because you can bait in Maine, and control the numbers, take away baiting and dogs and let me know what you think of them then, I have over 20 years experience with farmers and DEC bear biologists off and on with nuisance permits and can tell you in upstate NY our numbers are exploding, I would guarantee you about 1% of bears that are harvested each year are from means other than baiting and dogs, anybody can sit on a pile of donuts and grease pit and kill bears, make that illegal and see what happens to your numbers, they will explode and then these problems happen.

I'm not basing my statement off of harvest data. What I am saying is, if we weren't a factor in the situation than the ecosystem would level itself out just like it does with other critters.

I literally made the statement, " The population increase, if not managed by hunting, would eventually level out and cause a die off just like how rabbits, bobcats and coyotes have population booms and die offs."

Which was not taken into account in your rebuttle. Sounds like the problem lies in your states management. We plant food, bear eats food, bear breeds, more bears eat food. We don't plant food, bears don't eat, bears slow breeding, no damaged crops. We are adding to the problem, which if not managed properly will get worse, as in your state...

 

[Topdog]

No rebuttle here, I said our state has a managememt problem and should allow hounds and baiting like Maine does, I stand behind my statement baiting is an easy and effective way to kill bears and is probably why Maine has fewer problems than NY if that is the case, If the ANTIS get that bear referendum to ever go through in Maine you will probably find out, from what I remember it was real close last time..... Not good. Sit on a patch of briars and not a grease pit and let me know how many people kill and what happens to the farmers corn fields.

 

[gcr0003]

@Blinginpse Here's a not so fun hypothetical for you. Would you rather have hogs or bears?

 

[HuntNorthEast]

No rebuttle here, I said our state has a managememt problem and should allow hounds and baiting like Maine does, I stand behind my statement baiting is an easy and effective way to kill bears and is probably why Maine has fewer problems than NY if that is the case, If the ANTIS get that bear referendum to ever go through in Maine you will probably find out, from what I remember it was real close last time..... Not good. Sit on a patch of briars and not a grease pit and let me know how many people kill and what happens to the farmers corn fields.

I don't think I've ever met a farmer that doesn't poach to protect his crops! But, I completely agree with you on baiting being easier. It is still not always a guarantee though however. If I ever wanted to kill a bear without the bait I'd sit between the blueberry fields and a bog. They'd still produce.

 

[Blinginpse]

@Blinginpse Here's a not so fun hypothetical for you. Would you rather have hogs or bears?

Bears

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[Tapeworm]

Man thats pretty cool.....orange bloom honey....that honey lighter or darker color?

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Orange blossom honey is lighter in color than most others


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[Blinginpse]

Honey is lighter in color


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Beast said it had doffe taste. What you think wormy?

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[Tapeworm]

Beast said it had doffe taste. What you think wormy?

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Got a guy near here that has different honey

Palmetto, palm tree, orange blossom, blackberry, elderberry, wild flower and others depending on the blooming season

Right now at home I have palmetto and orange blossom

Definitely different tastes

Palmetto is darker and my wife likes the flavor better

My 9 yr old daughter like the lighter orange blossom better

Blackberry is one of my favorites




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[Blinginpse]

Got a guy near here that has different honey

Palmetto, palm tree, orange blossom, blackberry, elderberry, wild flower and others depending on the blooming season

Right now at home I have palmetto and orange blossom

Definitely different tastes

Palmetto is darker and my wife likes the flavor better

My 9 yr old daughter like the lighter orange blossom better

Blackberry is one of my favorites




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We all may need to do a group trade. Me and beast got a trade going on now. He's a good feller i do believe

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[Tapeworm]

Beast said it had doffe taste. What you think wormy?

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I’m almost out and need to reload

I’ll see if can get ahold of the guy since the farmers market is closed down (covid)

If so, I can get a few extra and send a little blingin assortment ur way


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[Blinginpse]

I’m almost out and need to reload

I’ll see if can get ahold of the guy since the farmers market is closed down (covid)

If so, I can get a few extra and send a little blingin assortment ur way


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Let me know ill pay. Beast had the orange covered. I got blackberry honey here

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[Tapeworm]

We all may need to do a group trade. Me and beast got a trade going on now. He's a good feller i do believe

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Hell yeah

U do enough nice things around here for others that your deserving of a little extra sweetness in ur life


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[Blinginpse]

Hell yeah

U do enough nice things around here for others that your deserving of a little extra sweetness in ur life


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Shoot me your address. We do some trading

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[Tapeworm]

Let me know ill pay. Beast had the orange covered. I got blackberry honey here

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Ur money isn’t good here

I just gotta figure out away to track honey guy down


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