To FOC or NOT

[treefox 1]

If you are wondering what broadhead to try check out John lusk broadhead testing on utube ,some of his tests are extreme but it shows you how tough some are.

 

[michigandrake]

Samurai also come in 150s, I seem to remember 125s too but I can't swear on that.

There are a some single bevels under 200 but I think all of those are aluminum ferrule. Similar to the lighter Helix broadheads. Good broadheads but I have bent a couple Helix ferrules on game and consider them less than compared to all steel construction.

 

[Brendan]

I don't chase FOC, no need for practical hunting weights. If you want an easy button - Easton Axis or Black Eagle Rampage, take your pick. Iron Will or EAston HIT insert. 125 Grain Easton RPS point for practice. For hunting, 100 grain Iron Will and a 25 grain iron will collar. 3 fletch AAE Max Stealth or Max Hunter fletched right helical.

Done and Done.

 

[Brendan]

There are a some single bevels under 200 but I think all of those are aluminum ferrule. Similar to the lighter Helix broadheads. Good broadheads but I have bent a couple Helix ferrules on game and consider them less than compared to all steel construction.

Iron Will Single Bevel currently starts at 125 gr.

 

[slonstdy]

The short answer - there are no ill effects of increasing your %FOC and it will improve arrow flight and penetration.
It doesn't matter much whether you do it by using tapered arrows, heavier broadheads or weighted inserts.

 

[Brendan]

The short answer - there are no ill effects of increasing your %FOC and it will improve arrow flight and penetration.

The long answer: Not necessarily on both accounts. There can be ill effects - it can hurt both arrow flight and penetration in certain scenarios.

It can only improve arrow flight if it remains correctly spined. It can royally screw stuff up if not. A lot of people go for high FOC by loading up the front of an arrow with extra weight without accounting for dynamic spine and that's a VERY bad thing. Increase FOC to a point and you may need to go to a stiffer and heavier arrow (which, in turn impacts FOC) Also, I've never had an issue getting perfect arrow flight regardless of the FOC, that's why you tune your bow...

And, a high FOC arrow can have more "Tail Kick Out" issues in a cross wind which can very negatively impact penetration, but that's only going to be an issue in a western style / more open hunt shooting at longer ranges.

Also, higher FOC is only going to impact post bone breach penetration. i.e. the broadhead deflects less when it hits heavier bone the heavier it is. If you're dealing with penetration where "deflection" isn't an issue, arrow mass matters (and broadhead design, and sharpness, and arrow flight, etc.), not FOC.

 

[Allegheny Tom]

There are a some single bevels under 200 but I think all of those are aluminum ferrule. Similar to the lighter Helix broadheads. Good broadheads but I have bent a couple Helix ferrules on game and consider them less than compared to all steel construction.

Oops, I misunderstood your point. Sorry.

 

[Gator]

Those are great points that are difficult to debate but I’ll make a comment. I’ve shot quite a few deer over the past two years with Iron Will wide cuts. They’re a
1-5/8” cut 2 blade head with bleeders. I’ve hit a few deer back and forward with excellent recovery results. Best of both worlds in my opinion.


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I switched to Iron Will wides this year and love them as well. Deer act they don't know what just bit them and thus didn't run away, rather just stood there until they tipped over dead.

My setup is 300 spine Gold Tip Hunters, 100 grain insert and 100 grain Iron Will wides.

 

[weekender21]

I switched to Iron Will wides this year and love them as well. Deer act they don't know what just bit them and thus didn't run away, rather just stood there until they tipped over dead.

My setup is 300 spine Gold Tip Hunters, 100 grain insert and 100 grain Iron Will wides.

It’s a great head no doubt.

This year I shot 300 spine Easton Axis with 150 grain IW wide. 185 up front (BH, insert, footer). 530 grains total. Great setup but I like to tinker. Will be building a lighter arrow for 2022.


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[Brendan]

It’s a great head no doubt.

This year I shot 300 spine Easton Axis with 150 grain IW wide. 185 up front (BH, insert, footer). 530 grains total. Great setup but I like to tinker. Will be building a lighter arrow for 2022.

Very similar to my arrow except I run a lighter head plus impact collar (remove collar for practice and only use it with the BH). I alternately run a Black Eagle Rampage for just a little less weight. 20-30 grains lighter IIRC.