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Who has snorted the Fairy Dust?

LOL JD "build a bow to shoot 3 different arrows out of this morning" as he holds 2 fingers up. Maybe not as elite as he wishes us to think he is.
 
Weldabeast said:
Again...I'm stupid about this stuff but they both pretty much saying the same thing correct?....1 says shoot a bunch of different arrows/spines to see what works and the other says shoot only a couple arrows and use the point weight to change the spine and see what works?.....I never did see any real attempt to meet a middle ground from the host or maybe I missed it
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Yeah they where saying the same thing but just using different approaches. It was a good listen but yeah Dudley seems pretty stuck in his ways. I saw a video where he was asking people if they’d rather get hit by a hatchet or a spear. Since most people said spear over hatchet he used that as a reason why he shoots mechanicals over fixed blade broadheads. Pretty strange analogy that doesn’t really mean anything to me.

Troy has found a way to “dumb” down arrow tuning that just makes sense to me at least. Whether you shoot 400 grains or 800 I don’t think he gives a crap as long as you have perfect arrow flight and understand the limitations of your shot angles with whatever setup you have.


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jtw0057 said:
Troy has found a way to “dumb” down arrow tuning that just makes sense to me at least. Whether you shoot 400 grains or 800 I don’t think he gives a crap as long as you have perfect arrow flight and understand the limitations of your shot angles with whatever setup you have.
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For better or for worse I've learned a lot from Troy. I had never thought of tuning arrows before I saw his "handloading" series. It makes sense. The idea of getting your bow tuned up and building your arrow around your bow makes sense to me since I'm not interested in paying a press fee any time I need to tweak something a little bit. The guys who seem most offended by him - like JD, apparently - are more into bows and think nothing about putting a bow on a press to do any little thing. Same result, different approach, and I think there ought to be room for both. JD, on the other hand, really breaks down things like form and grip at a granular level that I really appreciate, and have learned a lot from. I never quite knew what to do with the fingers on my bow hand, and found myself hitting my index finger with my bottom vane now and again. Not anymore.
 
So it seems when people dismiss Mr. Fowler because of his persona / delivery that's just wrong. He's got good info people, give him a chance!!

Dudley is a D- bag so I'm not listening to him. What does that jerk wad know anyway.

Derpa-derp-derp
 
Horn said:
Anyone happen to notice the part where John shoots 75# at like 30 inch or 30.5 inches? 7.333 gr/pound if he's at 550.
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I try to stay out of technical archery discussions because I’m basically just a bow hunter, I’m not super into archery. That said, not only did I happen to notice, I used to listen to Dudley a fair amount and moved to 500ish grain arrows close to a decade ago and you know what happened? I got ridiculed locally by every bow hunter and shop employee I mentioned it to as being too extreme for deer :D

So it’s hard for me to take a lot of what’s being said very seriously. Feathers are ruffled, feelings are hurt, I’m sure bow hunting will survive if not everybody agrees on the same arrow weight :D
 
Havent listened to the whole thing but my take away is similar to @Iron_llama. Troy "tunes" like a stick bow shooter, tuning the arrow to the bow whereas JD is tuning the bow. If you want to get the absolute most out of your setup, gain a good understanding of both bow tuning and arrow tuning. Because Troy is tuning his arrow to the compound, it is likely he is leaving performance on the table because the bow is not tuned as well as it could be and the arrow setup has to account for that. Getting the bow tuned right first is important. Then you can fine tune an arrow for that bow that maximizes performance. Or shoot a stick bow and learn how to tune an arrow to a bow that has almost no tuning to be done to it compared to a compound.
 
I think JD doesn't understand RF approach at all. He admitted he hadn't watched much of his stuff and i think JD is just going off of hearsay instead of actually checking RF out and the Ashby Foundation.
 
CooterBrown said:
I think JD doesn't understand RF approach at all. He admitted he hadn't watched much of his stuff and i think JD is just going off of hearsay instead of actually checking RF out and the Ashby Foundation.
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Personally I got the sense from his intro that his fans were hankerin' for him to knock Troy down a peg or two. He wasn't there to learn or to talk to Troy, but to talk past him at his audience. Which I have no interest in being a regular part of.
 
BTaylor said:
Havent listened to the whole thing but my take away is similar to @Iron_llama. Troy "tunes" like a stick bow shooter, tuning the arrow to the bow whereas JD is tuning the bow. If you want to get the absolute most out of your setup, gain a good understanding of both bow tuning and arrow tuning. Because Troy is tuning his arrow to the compound, it is likely he is leaving performance on the table because the bow is not tuned as well as it could be and the arrow setup has to account for that. Getting the bow tuned right first is important. Then you can fine tune an arrow for that bow that maximizes performance. Or shoot a stick bow and learn how to tune an arrow to a bow that has almost no tuning to be done to it compared to a compound.
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RF has said in many of his videos that if your bow isn't tuned then get it tuned up by someone that knows more about that than him. That is step 1 in perfect arrow flight.
 
In the end sounds like JD should get him a RF text kit. Because he is doing the exact same thing with his group charts.
 
I just got my bow re-tuned last week. Eye-opening experience. I was there for the entire setup process several years ago, but I lived too far from a good archery shop and had to drop my bow off when I needed a tune in years since, only getting to shoot it at the end to make sure their work was good. This time, I was able to be there for the whole process again, shot my bow myself instead of a much taller person trying to simulate my shot without me there, and kept my eyes and ears open for all kinds of things I never thought about before, including dissecting my arrows and maxing out overall performance from my setup.
 
Iron_llama said:
For better or for worse I've learned a lot from Troy. I had never thought of tuning arrows before I saw his "handloading" series. It makes sense. The idea of getting your bow tuned up and building your arrow around your bow makes sense to me since I'm not interested in paying a press fee any time I need to tweak something a little bit. The guys who seem most offended by him - like JD, apparently - are more into bows and think nothing about putting a bow on a press to do any little thing. Same result, different approach, and I think there ought to be room for both. JD, on the other hand, really breaks down things like form and grip at a granular level that I really appreciate, and have learned a lot from. I never quite knew what to do with the fingers on my bow hand, and found myself hitting my index finger with my bottom vane now and again. Not anymore.
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I started bowhunting almost 28 years ago. I've purchased a countless number of bows over the years, all between 5 local archery shops. Never have I had one of them "tune an arrow". Only 2 shops paper tuned my bow when setting it up, without me asking. After watching RF's information, I ordered the RF Test Kit from Sirius. I meticulously worked through the weight and spine combinations on bareshaft arrows. After I was finally satisfied that I had identified the right setup for my bow (that I was shooting ~400gr arrows on previously) I ordered a dozen HIGH FOC custom arrows from Sirius. Knock tuned each arrow, then broadhead tuned the best 3 for hunting. Couldn't be happier with my arrow flight and trajectory. I have the most confidence 0-50 yards that I've ever had with my bow. I don't claim to be an "archer", just a bowhunter. I'm sure my form/technique/setup leaves a lot to be desired. But if something steps inside 50 yards, I have 100% confidence that I can stick one through the pumphouse and my arrow setup is maximized for penetration.

I personally love the fact that I'm not buying a new bow every other year or shooting 85gr points trying to chase FPS any longer.

I would never have elevated my arrow setup if it wasn't for RF and Ashby.

Even hunters who do not shoot High FOC arrows, I would strongly encourage to go through their arrow setup to tune their arrows (and bow if it needs it). It really makes a tremendous difference in arrow flight and confidence.
 
samu said:
Kinda painful to listen to conversation where one party isn't listening at all what the other is saying. Also Dudders himself shoots +550gr arrow anyways so I don't know what the average 400-500gr shooter is supposed to take home from there? Keep hammering?

Same with Peter Attia, which was excellent podcast, extremely detailed and well factually backed up suggestion to aim forward to penetrate the mediastinum and use a broadhead that can deal with little bone if that happens. You can see how Dudleys brain overloads, bees buzzing and he goes "yeaa I just like that rear lung/liver with big mechanical". Why even bring these people in if you're unwilling to hear what they say.
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Got a link to that 1 so we can listen to?
 
In a lot of ways they were saying the same things however Dudley's focus is trajectory on 60 yd shots and RF's focus is inside 20 yds. If you are lobbing one in at 60 yds and you can tighten your trajectory by 4.5" and still be able to get your arrow/broadhead through the vitals (not necessarily pass through) Dudley says you should do it. While RF says most whitetail are shot with a bow at less than 20 yds so who cares about trajectory you want to be able to drive your 45#26" arrow through the knuckle of a whitetails shoulder. I have taken things from both sides, and shoot a 528 grain arrow.
 
Nosaj said:
In a lot of ways they were saying the same things however Dudley's focus is trajectory on 60 yd shots and RF's focus is inside 20 yds. If you are lobbing one in at 60 yds and you can tighten your trajectory by 4.5" and still be able to get your arrow/broadhead through the vitals (not necessarily pass through) Dudley says you should do it. While RF says most whitetail are shot with a bow at less than 20 yds so who cares about trajectory you want to be able to drive your 45#26" arrow through the knuckle of a whitetails shoulder. I have taken things from both sides, and shoot a 528 grain arrow.
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That's a really good point. There's a larger, and largely separate discussion about ethical shot distances and the need/desire to get close vs being accurate a long ways away.
 
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