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Who has snorted the Fairy Dust?

kyler1945 said:
I listened to that podcast with Dudley and Troy. I had my finger on exit right up until Dudley told him he wouldn’t call him by his stage name. Hook line and sinker from there…

He rightly calls him out as being a charlatan. But I don’t think it’s being done with “evil” intent. He’s just a dude who noticed some stuff, got curious, and started doing real work to explore the topic.

Dudley also rightly calls into question why anyone should be listening to the subtext of everything Troy says. Which is “listen to me, I’m an expert.” Why is that the message? Because he’s smart, has experience in a somewhat related field, and purports to be “just a guy.” Then his “I can cure what ails you, simply” message gets leveraged with the internet. And instead of a conversation that goes well and hits the mark with buddies over beers, he turns into a prophet preaching gospel.

He can pretend all that’s going on is that he’s just a normal dude asking questions about why up ain’t down. But he knows, if he’s honest with himself, the leverage the internet creates. If he didn’t before this podcast, he does now.

Doesn’t mean he started with fame in mind - I believe he didn’t expect that many people to pay attention. But once “adult arrows” got added to the vernacular, it was hard to stop the train rolling downhill.

The overlap between what he’s doing or suggesting, and what’s good for most people paying attention to him, is pretty small. He can say all he wants that “I’m just presenting information, people can draw their own conclusions.” But the number of people who are convinced that 750gr arrows are not only a good idea for whitetail hunting, but a necessity, proves that they aren’t reading between the lines.

I started this thread as a response to “speed and accuracy are all that matters because it’s too hard to build a heavy arrow” crowd. I may need to go back and revise, as it really seems to be antibiotics for the other end of the spectrum now.

The everyman's guide to killing a deer with a compound bow...

Will an expandable broadhead on a light arrow kill a deer? Yes. Can you kill a deer at 50 yards with a bow? Yes. Is a 7 pin sight useful? Sure. Is the Ranch Fairy annoying? Yes. Is Ashby god? Sometimes it seems that way. Can everyone just shut up? I've learned the answer is no. Ok...
saddlehunter.com


Part of me wants to ignore it and continue buying expensive arrows for half price of less when people can’t get them to “behave”.
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I listen to that podcast last night. Wow......all I took away was that they both telling u basically the same info, and that Dudley guy is a douche.
 
Weldabeast said:
I listen to that podcast last night. Wow......all I took away was that they both telling u basically the same info, and that Dudley guy is a douche.
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Kinda painful to listen to conversation where one party isn't listening at all what the other is saying. Also Dudders himself shoots +550gr arrow anyways so I don't know what the average 400-500gr shooter is supposed to take home from there? Keep hammering?

Same with Peter Attia, which was excellent podcast, extremely detailed and well factually backed up suggestion to aim forward to penetrate the mediastinum and use a broadhead that can deal with little bone if that happens. You can see how Dudleys brain overloads, bees buzzing and he goes "yeaa I just like that rear lung/liver with big mechanical". Why even bring these people in if you're unwilling to hear what they say.
 
In a nutshell to a dumby like me it sounded like Dudley says if u don't shoot with perfect form/trained than any info/questions you ask about how an arrow behaves on animal is void. 20 minutes in doodie say 10 times " I don't know anything about you".....so either he invites peeps on to interview and doesn't put in any work to understand the guest or their message.....or he taking shots. I thought RF did pretty good of keeping composed... if somebody tried to talk down to me for 2 hours I think I would have gotten fed up and lashed out
 
Anyone happen to notice the part where John shoots 75# at like 30 inch or 30.5 inches? 7.333 gr/pound if he's at 550.

no one learns anything listening to a podcast like it's a political debate :disappointed:

Pretty sure when asked why the #80 longbow RF said they had to do something to stop the arrows passing through so there was something to measure....
 
Lowg08 said:
As anyone sat down and nerded out on typing in random arrow weights out of your bow and noticed at a point you have the most FPS and KE and momentum out an arrow that is not RF heavy. It’s like an arch. It builds up to the top and at a certain point falls off. I’ve been noticing a 470 grain arrow has almost identical KE as my 583 but the 470 would travel at 265 fps and the 583 at 224 fps. Something to think about.
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Yes, yes, and again, yes. I sat with several arrow calculators and no matter what combination of weights I use, the drop in speed is far more drastic than any increase in KE with heavier arrows. Like, even a 25 gr difference and increased FOC for me ended up leeching 9.5 fps off my setup and actually decreased my KE by 0.4 ft-lbs.
 
DelaWhere_Arrow said:
Yes, yes, and again, yes. I sat with several arrow calculators and no matter what combination of weights I use, the drop in speed is far more drastic than any increase in KE with heavier arrows. Like, even a 25 gr difference and increased FOC for me ended up leeching 9.5 fps off my setup and actually decreased my KE by 0.4 ft-lbs.
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If you can shift the weight forward I think that's worth doing but you have to do a whole new build to do it
 
DelaWhere_Arrow said:
Yes, yes, and again, yes. I sat with several arrow calculators and no matter what combination of weights I use, the drop in speed is far more drastic than any increase in KE with heavier arrows. Like, even a 25 gr difference and increased FOC for me ended up leeching 9.5 fps off my setup and actually decreased my KE by 0.4 ft-lbs.
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What many folks fail to consider is the bow is the limiting factor. Draw weight, draw length and bow efficiency determines how much energy will be available to go into the arrow. KE and momentum are just indicators. The broadhead does the work when the arrow arrives. Killing deer is about accurate shot placement and as sharp of a broad head as you can get. If you have a short draw length, shoot as much weight as you can comfortably handle. If you have a long draw length you have more weight options. Keeping arrow weight and FOC in the high moderate range will yield a more easily tunable and therefore, generally speaking, a more accurate bow in the hands of the avg deer hunter.
 
Another dig I caught directed at RF/ashbey that dude knows is a falsehood.....he made a comment about how the heavy arrows wouldn't even get to the far target but when he built a bow/arrows for dude perfect to make a really really far trick shot he says specifically he had to build real heavy arrows ......hahahahaha
 
Horn said:
If you can shift the weight forward I think that's worth doing but you have to do a whole new build to do it
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for what it’s worth, all the weight increase was in the front of the arrow (broadhead and/or insert). If I was drawing another 4” of length, I’d probably be able to get away with more alteration. But I’m only shooting a 26” draw and still rocking nearly 13 slugs at almost 250fps out of a 12YO bow with 380gr arrows. Like @BTaylor said, I’ve improved my broadhead sharpening game as well. I have noticed THAT is the biggest difference in quality of hits when I shoot deer.
 
Weldabeast said:
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I listened to this, and although I wouldn’t call myself a “fan” of either gentlemen, RF handled being bullied by JD like a true professional. JD didn’t even have the courtesy to watch any of RF’s content before laying into him on technique, his methodologies, said content that he didn’t watch, and honestly felt like he was just big-bro’ing RF the whole time. I think they both made some excellent points but they were overshadowed by JD’s dismissive and kinda prick ish attitude towards Troy.
 
Again...I'm stupid about this stuff but they both pretty much saying the same thing correct?....1 says shoot a bunch of different arrows/spines to see what works and the other says shoot only a couple arrows and use the point weight to change the spine and see what works?.....I never did see any real attempt to meet a middle ground from the host or maybe I missed it
 
I'm listening to it now. I lost a lot of respect for JD in this podcast in the first 30 minutes. To say you don't really want to listen to what a man has to say just because he hasn't had formal bow training. Well dude 95% of us bow hunters haven't had formal training. He sounds too much like an elitist.
 
DelaWhere_Arrow said:
I listened to this, and although I wouldn’t call myself a “fan” of either gentlemen, RF handled being bullied by JD like a true professional. JD didn’t even have the courtesy to watch any of RF’s content before laying into him on technique, his methodologies, said content that he didn’t watch, and honestly felt like he was just big-bro’ing RF the whole time. I think they both made some excellent points but they were overshadowed by JD’s dismissive and kinda prick ish attitude towards Troy.
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Yeah, I listened to about 20 minutes of it before I had to turn it off. It started off OK and then JD I guess decided that he was threatened by somebody who didn't have as impressive a resume as he did. "Don't you think it's irresponsible to talk publicly about archery when you obviously don't know as much about it as I do? I'll come over and give you a personal coaching session, since I know so much more about archery than you do. You know, because you're an ignorant moron". Before I turned it off I thought Troy handled JD with grace and patience but I didn't listen all the way through. I kinda got the subtext that JD's followers were itching for him to "take down" Troy so maybe a bit of fan service there. I've learned a lot from JD's form videos but he's not the only archery bro on the internet. Which seems to bother him.
 
Weldabeast said:
In a nutshell to a dumby like me it sounded like Dudley says if u don't shoot with perfect form/trained than any info/questions you ask about how an arrow behaves on animal is void. 20 minutes in doodie say 10 times " I don't know anything about you".....so either he invites peeps on to interview and doesn't put in any work to understand the guest or their message.....or he taking shots. I thought RF did pretty good of keeping composed... if somebody tried to talk down to me for 2 hours I think I would have gotten fed up and lashed out
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You could cut the condescension from JD with a knife. Made it hard to sit through even though JD has some great insight regarding archery and shooting. As cocky and politically incorrect as Troy can come across, it was downright impressive how he just sat there respectfully and interacted with JD. Dudley needs to watch some Joe Rogan podcasts on how to engage in civil discourse with those of differing ideologies.
 
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