Who has snorted the Fairy Dust?

[Weldabeast]

I kick myself for not getting a pic but I had an extreme quartering shot and the deer ducked and turned and my arrow entered the neck right behind the base of the head and hit the offside lower jaw and slip it length wise. When the biologist went to pull it for aging we noticed it. Took a chunk outta the edge on my broadhead. It made a real weird noise at impact like if u smacked a side of beef with a baseball bat....usually my arrows don't make hardly a sound at impact

 

[Iron_llama]

I kick myself for not getting a pic but I had an extreme quartering shot and the deer ducked and turned and my arrow entered the neck right behind the base of the head and hit the offside lower jaw and slip it length wise. When the biologist went to pull it for aging we noticed it. Took a chunk outta the edge on my broadhead. It made a real weird noise at impact like if u smacked a side of beef with a baseball bat....usually my arrows don't make hardly a sound at impact

How much bone did it take out, just jaw? I bet a hard tissue hit like that would sound a lot different than a torso hit.

 

[Weldabeast]

It hit the thick part of the jaw and it slip lengthwise like nose to check. Where the tip and bone collided there was a big divit/chunk of bone broken of separate from the large pieces

Here exit

 

[BTaylor]

It hit the thick part of the jaw and it slip lengthwise like nose to check. Where the tip and bone collided there was a big divit/chunk of bone broken of separate from the large pieces

Here exit

Guess we need to add tonsils to the vital organ list. I've hit I think 3 in the neck(non-spinal hits) and none went very far.

 

[Weldabeast]

Guess we need to add tonsils to the vital organ list. I've hit I think 3 in the neck(non-spinal hits) and none went very far.

Man I was worried/nervous....but my worries subsided the further I tracked. I waited hour and a half and she was starting to stiffen a little when I found her. Maybe 30 minute track...she went roughly 70yds... Very little blood on my white feathers

 

[Iron_llama]

Dang. In MN we're supposed to send in the lymph nodes for CWD testing. You could almost reach right in that exit wound and grab them with some pliers.

 

[Weldabeast]

Plan B arrow....B for bicuspid

 

[Weldabeast]

If I be shootin a dang ol flim flam flapper rager I prolly cut that there head clean off

 

[Zero One Actual]

Then wrap it in palmetto fronds.

 

[jgleas114]

200 lbs bruiser. 125g G5 dead meat. 485g TAW. 70lb @ 29 inches. Complete pass through @ 25 yds quartering away. I didn’t shoot through the shoulder. Double lunged him … that seemed to do the trick.


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[Horn]

200 lbs bruiser. 125g G5 dead meat. 485g TAW. 70lb @ 29 inches. Complete pass through @ 25 yds quartering away. I didn’t shoot through the shoulder. Double lunged him … that seemed to do the trick.


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Please get that mounted JUST like that

Amazing buck!! Congratulations!!

 

[jgleas114]

Please get that mounted JUST like that

Amazing buck!! Congratulations!!

Thank you! 2 years after this guy and finally got him. I’m still reliving that shot.


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[Will Harris]

200 lbs bruiser. 125g G5 dead meat. 485g TAW. 70lb @ 29 inches. Complete pass through @ 25 yds quartering away. I didn’t shoot through the shoulder. Double lunged him … that seemed to do the trick.


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incredible buck! congrats.

btw, you could be shooting a tooth brush with a 70# draw and 29" length and kill deer. fairy dust is reserved for us old farts that have shoulders that cant pull like young ones anymore. send your dust to me

 

[Horn]

Not changing my set up but...

 

[SD Guy]

I listened to that podcast with Dudley and Troy. I had my finger on exit right up until Dudley told him he wouldn’t call him by his stage name. Hook line and sinker from there…

He rightly calls him out as being a charlatan. But I don’t think it’s being done with “evil” intent. He’s just a dude who noticed some stuff, got curious, and started doing real work to explore the topic.

Dudley also rightly calls into question why anyone should be listening to the subtext of everything Troy says. Which is “listen to me, I’m an expert.” Why is that the message? Because he’s smart, has experience in a somewhat related field, and purports to be “just a guy.” Then his “I can cure what ails you, simply” message gets leveraged with the internet. And instead of a conversation that goes well and hits the mark with buddies over beers, he turns into a prophet preaching gospel.

He can pretend all that’s going on is that he’s just a normal dude asking questions about why up ain’t down. But he knows, if he’s honest with himself, the leverage the internet creates. If he didn’t before this podcast, he does now.

Doesn’t mean he started with fame in mind - I believe he didn’t expect that many people to pay attention. But once “adult arrows” got added to the vernacular, it was hard to stop the train rolling downhill.

The overlap between what he’s doing or suggesting, and what’s good for most people paying attention to him, is pretty small. He can say all he wants that “I’m just presenting information, people can draw their own conclusions.” But the number of people who are convinced that 750gr arrows are not only a good idea for whitetail hunting, but a necessity, proves that they aren’t reading between the lines.

I started this thread as a response to “speed and accuracy are all that matters because it’s too hard to build a heavy arrow” crowd. I may need to go back and revise, as it really seems to be antibiotics for the other end of the spectrum now.

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Part of me wants to ignore it and continue buying expensive arrows for half price of less when people can’t get them to “behave”.

I feel very few are trying the 750 grain option much less settling in on 750 grain arrows for hunting. 650 grains may be considerably more common. Personally I have tried the 750 grain option as well as 650 grain. 750 grains was enough to turn me away in terms of trajectory.

Seems like I am settling in on 630 grain TAW for work inside of 30 yards. Looking at a 530 grain set up with a western hunting set-up in mind. I rarely hunt the western style hunt so my focus will be stronger with the saddle hunting scenario.

RF seems to encourage a system that flys well for you & a trajectory you can live with.

Only 2 deer under my belt with the 630 grain arrow so far. No down side has been realized for my hunting style thus far.

 

[1simplemann]

Finally weighed my arrow. 700 grains on the button with the new arrows and 697 grains on the old. New arrows are VAP in 235 spine. Now I have to calculate the FOC. I'm curious as to the difference in FOC between the 2. Going by just the balance point there's quite a bit. I had no issues w/ penetration but I saw a video showing the increased penetration just by going to a 4mm arrow. I figured if I could build an Ashby style arrow and it be 4 mm arrow then that can't be all bad if I ever need it. 5" more penetration just in my foam block.

 

[SD Guy]

Finally weighed my arrow. 700 grains on the button with the new arrows and 697 grains on the old. New arrows are VAP in 235 spine. Now I have to calculate the FOC. I'm curious as to the difference in FOC between the 2. Going by just the balance point there's quite a bit. I had no issues w/ penetration but I saw a video showing the increased penetration just by going to a 4mm arrow. I figured if I could build an Ashby style arrow and it be 4 mm arrow then that can't be all bad if I ever need it. 5" more penetration just in my foam block.

Fairly Sure that will be enough to qualify as a adult arrow.

 

[SD Guy]

Finally weighed my arrow. 700 grains on the button with the new arrows and 697 grains on the old. New arrows are VAP in 235 spine. Now I have to calculate the FOC. I'm curious as to the difference in FOC between the 2. Going by just the balance point there's quite a bit. I had no issues w/ penetration but I saw a video showing the increased penetration just by going to a 4mm arrow. I figured if I could build an Ashby style arrow and it be 4 mm arrow then that can't be all bad if I ever need it. 5" more penetration just in my foam block.

To what distance are you comfortable shooting those lawn darts?

 

[NMSbowhunter]

incredible buck! congrats.

btw, you could be shooting a tooth brush with a 70# draw and 29" length and kill deer. fairy dust is reserved for us old farts that have shoulders that cant pull like young ones anymore. send your dust to me

Agreed, but not necessarily old farts, middle aged farts as well. Some days I can comfortably pull my 60 pound bow and others my shoulder just doesn't like it and I go to my 44 pounder. Over the past summer I bought a 70 pound and changed out the limbs and set it up for 44 pounds. While I had the 70 pound limbs on it, I could pull it back and shoot it fine a dozen or so times in the back yard. That said, could I draw it with a deer inside 25 yards, I doubt it. Too much sky drawing and grunting to get away with all that, lol.

Here is what I'm getting at. When I was starting out, I was pulling 70 pounds because that's what the cool kids were doing. Seriously, all by buddies were pulling 70 and there was peer pressure to be one of the crowd. I later dropped to 60 and now have a 44 pound. All those guys today have either abandoned bowhunting all together or are relegated to crossbows. In hindsight if I had it all to do over again, I would just shoot about 55 pounds with an arrow of about 650 grains with about 24% FOC and a single bevel and not permanently damage my shoulders.

Just because you can draw 70 or 80 pounds now doesn't necessarily mean you should if you want to be pain and problem free 10 or 15 years down the road. I proved to myself last month that a good arrow system will shoot through a buck's scapula and exit on a fairly quartering too shot with a 44 pound compound. That 44 pound compound is probably as efficient as a 60 to 70 pound longbow with the same arrow.

 

[mschultz373]

I do think a greater discussion of lifting/physical fitness to strengthen your shoulders is worthwhile in the world of bow hunting. regardless of your draw poundage, keeping your shoulders/arms/etc strong is a long-term investment in overall quality of life.