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redsquirrel said:
Yup.
This thread may be helpful. https://saddlehunter.com/community/index.php?threads/custom-tree-strap.193/
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Yes! I keep stumbling across that and then forgetting. Too much info to keep track of. Bookmarking it this go round. Do you think 1" tubular would slide through that snap? Looks snug.

Thanks for the heads up on the summit webbing guys. I'll keep looking for a good camo pattern.

The d-ring and biner may have to be the compromise. I'm really just trying to get the connection as small as possible like the ropeman. Playing around with lower, shorter tether and my current web has a long loop that limits how short you can choke it to the tree.
 
Since I hate cliffhangers, here's a follow-up.

My google-fu was not strong enough to churn up the hardware I wanted.I think a d-ring buckle and biner are going to have to do. I have a roll of 1" tubular on hand, and ordered this yesterday:

http://austrialpin.net/product/ansi-cobraframe-release-d-ring/

17kn is around 4000lbs, which is right there with the rating on the webbing. I'm already using webbing as a bridge, so I don't really have a problem with that number. Better than a ropeman1.

If this doesnt work as I envision, or I cant make myself trust it, I'll give up and stick with 2" flat.
 
Don't mean to change the intent of this thread--but what is the reason for choosing a webbing tether vs a rope?
This is all new to me so, an inquiring mind wants to know...
Thanks, Rick
 
Nutterbuster said:
Since I hate cliffhangers, here's a follow-up.

My google-fu was not strong enough to churn up the hardware I wanted.I think a d-ring buckle and biner are going to have to do. I have a roll of 1" tubular on hand, and ordered this yesterday:

http://austrialpin.net/product/ansi-cobraframe-release-d-ring/

17kn is around 4000lbs, which is right there with the rating on the webbing. I'm already using webbing as a bridge, so I don't really have a problem with that number. Better than a ropeman1.

If this doesnt work as I envision, or I cant make myself trust it, I'll give up and stick with 2" flat.
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Do you think it would be a problem to run your Bridge through the D-ring in a permanent fashion to alleviate the Carabiner and then just fish your webbing tether through the each time you set up? It would definitely eliminate the need for the Carabiner that way. It shouldn't add too much time to the process. A couple of seconds I would think.
 
so you could use a cobination of a petzl "tanga" and "captiv" in place of the duct tape andit would work pretty well on a pear shaped biner.
 
@redsquirrel @Vtbow @kyler1945

So here's what showed up today. 7oz plus carabiner for 7 feet of tether + loops and knots. Packs to the size of nothing worth mentioning. Buckle is 18kn rating.

It's very simple to tie the water knots. The buckle was something like $20. Cost of webbing is negligible. My system (and a lot of other guys) is only as strong as a webbing bridge, so I'm not worried about that. The water knot at the buckle end can easily be clipped into the biner for redundancy in the case of buckle failure, and also serves as a stopper knot. Adjustment is very, very easy. Almost as good as ropeman, and better than a prussic. Doesn't bind under load at all.

I played with it for about 15 minutes in the yard at ground level. I like it A LOT. The buckle is beefier than I thought it would be, and I think I'd trust it fine at height. The webbing is stronger than my HSS tether, and very cheap and easy to replace when it wears.

Am I missing something, or did I just discover the ultimate tether? Lightweight, packable, easy to backup, easy to inspect and maintain, and rated for a higher load than a ropeman while still being stupid-easy to adjust. It's also about as cheap as they come. What's not to love?

If you see something, say something. I'm really leanong towards taking this dang thing hunting this weekend.

Also, bonus pic of a kitty I'm taking to the taxidermist tomorrow. Never seen such a pretty specimen. Nice and speckly, and such poofy little cheeks!
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WormyJames said:
Don't mean to change the intent of this thread--but what is the reason for choosing a webbing tether vs a rope?
This is all new to me so, an inquiring mind wants to know...
Thanks, Rick
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Sorry I missed your post.

Basically, webbing is cheap, light, and strong. With rope you usually get to pick two out of three. Webbing also packs downmarvelously, doesn't tangle, and is easy to tie a non-bulky knot in.

Webbing is awesome for a bridge, awesome for an aider, and now I think it may just be awesome for a tether. Maybe?
 
Nutterbuster said:
@redsquirrel @Vtbow @kyler1945

So here's what showed up today. 7oz plus carabiner for 7 feet of tether + loops and knots. Packs to the size of nothing worth mentioning. Buckle is 18kn rating.

It's very simple to tie the water knots. The buckle was something like $20. Cost of webbing is negligible. My system (and a lot of other guys) is only as strong as a webbing bridge, so I'm not worried about that. The water knot at the buckle end can easily be clipped into the biner for redundancy in the case of buckle failure, and also serves as a stopper knot. Adjustment is very, very easy. Almost as good as ropeman, and better than a prussic. Doesn't bind under load at all.

I played with it for about 15 minutes in the yard at ground level. I like it A LOT. The buckle is beefier than I thought it would be, and I think I'd trust it fine at height. The webbing is stronger than my HSS tether, and very cheap and easy to replace when it wears.

Am I missing something, or did I just discover the ultimate tether? Lightweight, packable, easy to backup, easy to inspect and maintain, and rated for a higher load than a ropeman while still being stupid-easy to adjust. It's also about as cheap as they come. What's not to love?

If you see something, say something. I'm really leanong towards taking this dang thing hunting this weekend.

Also, bonus pic of a kitty I'm taking to the taxidermist tomorrow. Never seen such a pretty specimen. Nice and speckly, and such poofy little cheeks!
7203a72ad352bd90660d5f81e0087c5f.jpg
69df27e5361e1abba282cdd5f4ed051e.jpg
ff68c6c2cc43543d6668c1668d8cbe07.jpg
11f7db983c74081e238eaec55e27d63c.jpg
bb3821243027e7e76c03d6d127426cf0.jpg


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Nice honda :) Very good lookign cat. I've had a couple of chances to take one on my property, but have found them fun to watch.

Cool buckle, I REALLY like the concept. I have a couple comments (Of course I do right?):
1) your overhand on a bite that you are passing the buckle through to capture the tree should have a barrel backup knot(single fishermans) on it with 1-2" of tail after. They can work loose with several changes in pressure under tension(moving around the tree, standinup/sitting down, whatever). This knot will fix that and give peace of mind :)

2)This may just be me, but I have a hard time with the buckle being used what I woud consider "upside down" Pulling down(towards your body) to release it is just quite prone to accidental release. You slip and reach for your bridgle, something gets caught on it, etc. Tightening it you will be pulling away from your body, which potentially means you will need to unweight the system more to make it easier and it might be akward, but who knows...

Other than that its a super cool idea and I would love to hear how it works out in the woods!!!! :)
 
Nutterbuster said:
@redsquirrel @Vtbow @kyler1945

So here's what showed up today. 7oz plus carabiner for 7 feet of tether + loops and knots. Packs to the size of nothing worth mentioning. Buckle is 18kn rating.

It's very simple to tie the water knots. The buckle was something like $20. Cost of webbing is negligible. My system (and a lot of other guys) is only as strong as a webbing bridge, so I'm not worried about that. The water knot at the buckle end can easily be clipped into the biner for redundancy in the case of buckle failure, and also serves as a stopper knot. Adjustment is very, very easy. Almost as good as ropeman, and better than a prussic. Doesn't bind under load at all.

I played with it for about 15 minutes in the yard at ground level. I like it A LOT. The buckle is beefier than I thought it would be, and I think I'd trust it fine at height. The webbing is stronger than my HSS tether, and very cheap and easy to replace when it wears.

Am I missing something, or did I just discover the ultimate tether? Lightweight, packable, easy to backup, easy to inspect and maintain, and rated for a higher load than a ropeman while still being stupid-easy to adjust. It's also about as cheap as they come. What's not to love?

If you see something, say something. I'm really leanong towards taking this dang thing hunting this weekend.

Also, bonus pic of a kitty I'm taking to the taxidermist tomorrow. Never seen such a pretty specimen. Nice and speckly, and such poofy little cheeks!
7203a72ad352bd90660d5f81e0087c5f.jpg
69df27e5361e1abba282cdd5f4ed051e.jpg
ff68c6c2cc43543d6668c1668d8cbe07.jpg
11f7db983c74081e238eaec55e27d63c.jpg
bb3821243027e7e76c03d6d127426cf0.jpg


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Sorry, I've been meaning to tell you that I've had this same setup sitting around for a while. I originally started with doing it with 1" webbing exactly like the old trophyline strap. Changed it over to how you have it there because there was too much going on and the 1 inch webbing really pulled down the tree. I think it is ok but I haven't been able to convince myself to use it.
 
Excellent points guys. Glad to see nobody is throwing a red flag. Makes me feel a little better, but like @redsquirrel says "I think it's ok." Just a tiny piece of gear holding you up there, and no good way to back a lot of it up.

@Vtbow, great call on the stopper. That's a quick and easy fix. Your second point absolutely makes sense, but on the tree I couldn't replicate the problem you outline. I think it's kind of like the idea of cutting your tether with a broadhead or accidentally releasing a ropeman. It could absolutely happen, but you'd have to want it to. I've also been using a 2" buckle that operates similarly all season with no problem.

The webbing did slip some. I'm thinking a castration band or two might be an easy way to "choke up" on the loop and keep that from happening? Anybody wanna donate?
 
Cool. glad you tried it all out, I like it when my concerns are disproven! :) . You could also take your loop at the end and cput a quick girth hitch to feed the buckle through instead of just the open loop. Then once its cinched around the tree it shouldnt loosen much if at all.
 
Vtbow said:
Cool. glad you tried it all out, I like it when my concerns are disproven! :) . You could also take your loop at the end and cput a quick girth hitch to feed the buckle through instead of just the open loop. Then once its cinched around the tree it shouldnt loosen much if at all.
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That's a quick solution to try out. I'll try that tonight, and climb a few feet to see if my nerve starts giving out as the ground gets further away.

If I don't chicken out at 20ft in the backyard with the 9 and the 1 dialed, I'm probably hunting with it. It's too sweet not to try.
 
Letemgrowitllshow said:
@Nutterbuster I'm really liking what you have going there. I was thinking about using a lw strap as a tether but your thread from last year made that sound like a not so good option.
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Yeah, glad I got talked outta that one.

This is looking pretty good though. I'm doing an all-day sit tomorrow with it after spending several days testing it in the backyard. I'll let ya'll know how it ends up working in real life.
 
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