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Why don't yall 2TC?

Center Punch said:
What is the reason to use the Maverick hitch vs. a simple bow line or an every-day overhand type 'permanent' loop at the tag end and run the rest of the tether through it? ( I'm not interested in rappeling down right now )
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It's for ease of passing branches! No
metal quick link or even a carabiner to clank on my main bridge attach carabiner. Its fast and easy to tie, I've done human drop tests on it to assure me it's safe and also keeps my rope pure from end loops or knots so I can use it for SRT( pass through a crotch).

P.S. next time use the 'reply' button to alert the person you're asking the question to, or tag their name.
 
Samcirrus said:
It's for ease of passing branches! No
metal quick link or even a carabiner to clank on my main bridge attach carabiner. Its fast and easy to tie, I've done human drop tests on it to assure me it's safe and also keeps my rope pure from end loops or knots so I can use it for SRT( pass through a crotch).

P.S. next time use the 'reply' button to alert the person you're asking the question to, or tag their name.
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Thanks for the reply!
What do you think of this alternative to the Maverich knot?
( I'm old and forget how to tie knots unless I tie them EVERY DAY. I'll try, but want alternatives... )
 

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Center Punch said:
Thanks for the reply!
What do you think of this alternative to the Maverich knot?
( I'm old and forget how to tie knots unless I tie them EVERY DAY. I'll try, but want alternatives... )
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It works, BUT That's what I did 2 years ago.....ain't going back! The Maverick is so easy, and it's remotely releasable by attaching the tail end of my 80' rope or just a pull down cord to the release end, and then I can pull a preset paracord loop back up through as the rope comes down then I'm all set for my rope walking SRT climb next time.
 
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Samcirrus said:
It works, BUT That's what I did 2 years ago.....ain't going back! The Maverick is so easy, and it's remotely releasable by attaching the tail end of my 80' rope or just a pull down cord to the release end, and then I can pull a preset paracord loop back up through as the rope comes down then I'm all set for my rope walking SRT climb next time.
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Ok. First, thanks for taking the time to reply.

Second. I'm adopting the items and techniques of SRT/rappelers/one-stickers/etc. guys. But I'm not going to do any of that soon.
And. I'm close to 60yo. I'm still strong and spry enough, but I know this isn't going to last a whole lot longer for me. Maybe 10 years or so??

I'm about saving weight and keeping things simple while hunting public land w/o doing the higher risk ( perceived by this older guy ) climbing techniques.

I’m quite sure I’m not alone in my situation and thought process.

I'm currently using sticks and a platform to get up and down trees while using a saddle. All in - that's close to 14lbs.

THEN, I read how some of you are using the upper part of a Lone Wolf or Summit climber and I'm thinking I'll use the platform of my OpenShot. I'm very certain I can make that work for the majority of my hunts. My complete OpenShot climber with all the trimmings weighs close to 20lbs, so using only the platform means I'll carry closer to 12lbs of climbing equipment.

NOW, I'm reading here & watching posted videos of using two tethers! Not only does that look easy enough, ( my son and I are going to practice this technique in a few hours today ) it should save another 12lbs

If this works, I'll only be carrying 18lbs of gear + bow!
And since my current workout is to carry about 45lbs in a backpack, start the Tracker on my OnX app, walk 3 miles out on trails, then three miles back. ( I'm currently getting that 6-mile hike done in 1 hour and 43 minutes. I'm sweating pretty good, but not out of breath at all )

18lbs will be nothing! And I'm not worried about carrying 5 biners instead of one or two.


If any of you see more holes in my method and reasoning on keeping things simple and light, post up. I’ll gladly take it into consideration and decide for myself if it works for me or not.
 
Sounds like a solid plan overall. You will just need to play around with it enough to iron any kinks out. I will say to have a way to strap the bottom platform to the tree at height so it does not shift or squeak, and also have a way to attach the bottom to yourself or the top tether as you ascend, because just like using the climber as intended, the bases can fall to the ground and leave you stranded.
 
NMSbowhunter said:
Sounds like a solid plan overall. You will just need to play around with it enough to iron any kinks out. I will say to have a way to strap the bottom platform to the tree at height so it does not shift or squeak, and also have a way to attach the bottom to yourself or the top tether as you ascend, because just like using the climber as intended, the bases can fall to the ground and leave you stranded.
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Since I haven't been using my saddle EXACTLY like the rest of you guys, I won't be putting any side pressure on platforms.
And I have been using climbers for 25+ years, so I know to tether the climbing platform to me or the tether my bridge uses.
 
Center Punch said:
Ok. First, thanks for taking the time to reply.

Second. I'm adopting the items and techniques of SRT/rappelers/one-stickers/etc. guys. But I'm not going to do any of that soon.
And. I'm close to 60yo. I'm still strong and spry enough, but I know this isn't going to last a whole lot longer for me. Maybe 10 years or so??

I'm about saving weight and keeping things simple while hunting public land w/o doing the higher risk ( perceived by this older guy ) climbing techniques.

I’m quite sure I’m not alone in my situation and thought process.

I'm currently using sticks and a platform to get up and down trees while using a saddle. All in - that's close to 14lbs.

THEN, I read how some of you are using the upper part of a Lone Wolf or Summit climber and I'm thinking I'll use the platform of my OpenShot. I'm very certain I can make that work for the majority of my hunts. My complete OpenShot climber with all the trimmings weighs close to 20lbs, so using only the platform means I'll carry closer to 12lbs of climbing equipment.

NOW, I'm reading here & watching posted videos of using two tethers! Not only does that look easy enough, ( my son and I are going to practice this technique in a few hours today ) it should save another 12lbs

If this works, I'll only be carrying 18lbs of gear + bow!
And since my current workout is to carry about 45lbs in a backpack, start the Tracker on my OnX app, walk 3 miles out on trails, then three miles back. ( I'm currently getting that 6-mile hike done in 1 hour and 43 minutes. I'm sweating pretty good, but not out of breath at all )

18lbs will be nothing! And I'm not worried about carrying 5 biners instead of one or two.


If any of you see more holes in my method and reasoning on keeping things simple and light, post up. I’ll gladly take it into consideration and decide for myself if it works for me or not.
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I climb a lot with the top of a LWHC and also do some 2 tether climbing. The key for me with 2TC is just to make small moves. I’m talking about 18-24” per move. It ends up being almost as fast as trying to stretch it out and is a lot safer and less effort.
 
mtsrunner said:
I climb a lot with the top of a LWHC and also do some 2 tether climbing. The key for me with 2TC is just to make small moves. I’m talking about 18-24” per move. It ends up being almost as fast as trying to stretch it out and is a lot safer and less effort.
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I agree with this assessment. I do prefer to stretch my moves because I like less total moves, but I have climbed both ways and after about 4-6 timed climbs back to back the time splits were negligible.
 
gcr0003 said:
I agree with this assessment. I do prefer to stretch my moves because I like less total moves, but I have climbed both ways and after about 4-6 timed climbs back to back the time splits were negligible.
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I agree also. 18 to 24 inch moves are optimal with 2TC. If I try to "go fast" it slows me down. Steady even moves are very fast (and safer).
 
mtsrunner said:
I climb a lot with the top of a LWHC and also do some 2 tether climbing. The key for me with 2TC is just to make small moves. I’m talking about 18-24” per move. It ends up being almost as fast as trying to stretch it out and is a lot safer and less effort.
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Thank you!
 
Well my son and I tried the 2TC method using amsteal aiders covered with the fuel line. We struggled with the aiders quite a bit, but other than that it was pretty cool.

I have two of THESE arriving Saturday and we'll try it again. I have to believe we'll get a nice rhythm going, but we'll see.
It's worth the effort and expense to give it more than half-a-try.
 

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@phatkaw and @gcr0003 , can you elaborate on why you don't like the hunt arsenal style aider/step thing? I was just thinking that might be preferable to my 3 step aider I've been using, but I'll be honest foot comfort isn't important to me, just a thought
 
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