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Why don't yall 2TC?

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gcr0003 said:
It sounds like he was talking specifically about the new method that YouTube guy apex predator outdoors was showing where you have a footloop on each tether, not referring to simple 2TC in general. Correct me if I’m wrong @krub6b
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That's correct. I was trying to include a second foot loop on my top tether without redoing my whole set up and it didn't work out well, which isn't completely unexpected with any new climbing method variation. However I think his split tether system may make a world of difference over my single line tether with Blake's hitches forming foot loops. Whenever I would lean or shift my weight on the foot loops it would affect how my tether to bridge connection "felt" giving the impression of trying to stand on a pool noodle. I was able to keep my feet in both loops, but only made 3 movements before going back to using one foot loop. The leg wrap just feels more natural for now and without a lot of practice I don't see the dual loops as being viable for this season for me. But as I sat back and leaned into the saddle with both of my feet in separate loops it was a very comfortable resting spot while I thought through what wasn't working for me about the dual loops.

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krub6b said:
That's correct. I was trying to include a second foot loop on my top tether without redoing my whole set up and it didn't work out well, which isn't completely unexpected with any new climbing method variation. However I think his split tether system may make a world of difference over my single line tether with Blake's hitches forming foot loops. Whenever I would lean or shift my weight on the foot loops it would affect how my tether to bridge connection "felt" giving the impression of trying to stand on a pool noodle. I was able to keep my feet in both loops, but only made 3 movements before going back to using one foot loop. The leg wrap just feels more natural for now and without a lot of practice I don't see the dual loops as being viable for this season for me. But as I sat back and leaned into the saddle with both of my feet in separate loops it was a very comfortable resting spot while I thought through what wasn't working for me about the dual loops.

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So I tried it out this morning and it’s clear for that method to really excel to the best it can be you need those separate lines so you’re not pulled to the tree. Also have the plastic wrap that opens the up the tether automatically.

That said, I’m really liking having a footloop on my main top tether. By putting your foot in you main tether and standing up, you’re able to get your foot tether 1 foot higher.

I also played around with a little more complicated method that basically had two tethers each with a bridge and foot loop and you would leap frog the two on top of each other. This increased the length of my moves from the traditional 2tc by 2 ft! The downside is you have to remove a tether move it up, clip in and then wash and repeat.

I’m working to see if I can find the sweet spot with the foot loop on each tether. Stay tuned for more haha.
 
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Despite my preferred method of using mechanicals, I've decided to switch to hitches this year. I have no particular reason why except that I'm wanting to do something different this year. I ordered some sewn eye cords from EWO which broke my New Years Resolution of not financing @DanO's summer house but then realized with inflation, I probably only financed a small box of screws.
 
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MNFarmHunter said:
Despite my preferred method of using mechanicals, I've decided to switch to hitches this year. I have no particular reason why except that I'm wanting to do something different this year. I ordered some sewn eye cords from EWO which broke my New Years Resolution of not financing @DanO's summer house but then realized with inflation, I probably only financed a small box of screws.
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A 3 pack of these is only about 18 bucks on Amazon...
They are working really good for me!

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Hitches, especially the JRB ascender in soft bridge mode is the way to go. Absolutely nothing different in function from a mechanical!
 
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BTW, I finally made several videos of my 2TC method with easily removable girth hitch locks without the need for quick links or carabiners....plus the go around branches method that uses no extra tether!
Just have to upload them....
 
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Did another climb using the double foot loop I sewed together and am really liking it. While the single leg standing and wrapping the other leg around the trunk was very stable, the double loop seems just as stable and alot less effort single both legs are used to stand up as opposed to the single leg. I also made a pair of distel hitches out of 6mm cord which worked fine though as expected, didn't adjust as smoothly as a mechanical. Still, the hitches dropped about 0.4# of weight so there is that.
 
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MNFarmHunter said:
Did another climb using the double foot loop I sewed together and am really liking it. While the single leg standing and wrapping the other leg around the trunk was very stable, the double loop seems just as stable and alot less effort single both legs are used to stand up as opposed to the single leg. I also made a pair of distel hitches out of 6mm cord which worked fine though as expected, didn't adjust as smoothly as a mechanical. Still, the hitches dropped about 0.4# of weight so there is that.
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Are you using one hand to hold the tree and the other to advance the tether?
 
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ketch22 said:
Are you using one hand to hold the tree and the other to advance the tether?
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Yep, 3 points of contact. Loosen the girth hitch then walk it up. Messing around with my heels at 45, I was stable enough to be hands-free but that goes against the 3 points of contact concept.
 
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MNFarmHunter said:
Did another climb using the double foot loop I sewed together and am really liking it. While the single leg standing and wrapping the other leg around the trunk was very stable, the double loop seems just as stable and alot less effort single both legs are used to stand up as opposed to the single leg. I also made a pair of distel hitches out of 6mm cord which worked fine though as expected, didn't adjust as smoothly as a mechanical. Still, the hitches dropped about 0.4# of weight so there is that.
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Let's see the gears!
 
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Red Beard said:
Let's see the gears!
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Here's the whole setup. I have a sewn eye 6mm cord on order which will probably replace the top tether hitch but as shown holds fine and works well. As mentioned, it's not as smooth as a mechanical but it's a new season so might as well try something new as well.

Top tether is my primary tether with a distel hitch on Canyon C-IV
Bottom tether is my foot loop/backup tether with a distel hitch on Resc-Tech
Webbing is a sewn double foot loop with castration bands to hold them to my feet. I didn't have a single piece long enough so I box stitched two lengths together
Both hitches are 6mm Bluewater acc. cord, scaffold knots with a tag end stopper knots
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Samcirrus said:
BTW, I finally made several videos of my 2TC method with easily removable girth hitch locks without the need for quick links or carabiners....plus the go around branches method that uses no extra tether!
Just have to upload them....
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Whatcha waiting on! This is 2Tc with extra footloop on top tether but without leap frogging the tethers.

 
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krub6b said:
Well now I feel like I need to try this again.....
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I don’t know if you saw my other post to @Samcirrus but I made a distinction that I’m not using it like the apex predator outdoors guy. This would be similar to traditional 2tc with a extra little boost up.

I’m hoping to make another video breaking down the height differences in moves. The speed still isn’t better than regular 2tc but I like less moves.

One thing that is neat is that when you are standing on the same tether as your clipped into with your bridge there is no slack in the tag end of the rope because your weight is on it which allows you to make a super easy slide of your friction hitch up to the top when you stand.

WARNING: if you’re not mindful of your slack this method can induce extra slack in your tether.
 
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Watching my video back though I’m still not getting as much per move as I want (looks like about 3’ maybe 4’ per top tether move. It is kind of annoying putting your foot tether right underneath your top tether since there’s not much room once your standing on your top tether. I need to see if there is a safe way to stay attached at all time to both tethers so you can get the leapfrog tethers to work. I think that would give you more per move from what I saw testing it out.
 
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Ok, great video. It shows how the top tether foot loop is just too much garbage...

If you make another video of your normal 2TC setup I betcha it's much more better. ;)


Thanks for sharing!
 
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gcr0003 said:
Watching my video back though I’m still not getting as much per move as I want (looks like about 3’ maybe 4’ per top tether move. It is kind of annoying putting your foot tether right underneath your top tether since there’s not much room once your standing on your top tether. I need to see if there is a safe way to stay attached at all time to both tethers so you can get the leapfrog tethers to work. I think that would give you more per move from what I saw testing it out.
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A second bridge maybe?
 
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MNFarmHunter said:
Here's the whole setup. I have a sewn eye 6mm cord on order which will probably replace the top tether hitch but as shown holds fine and works well. As mentioned, it's not as smooth as a mechanical but it's a new season so might as well try something new as well.

Top tether is my primary tether with a distel hitch on Canyon C-IV
Bottom tether is my foot loop/backup tether with a distel hitch on Resc-Tech
Webbing is a sewn double foot loop with castration bands to hold them to my feet. I didn't have a single piece long enough so I box stitched two lengths together
Both hitches are 6mm Bluewater acc. cord, scaffold knots with a tag end stopper knots
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Your foot loops aren't adjustable are they?
 
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