Why don't yall 2TC?

[tailgunner]

Alright you clowns, I finally got a chance to get out in the yard today to try my hand at 2tc. (48 degrees out today. Martha, It's a friggin heatwave) I rigged up a foot loop with some military grade 2" webbing and hooked it in with a ropeman on my spare tether. Messed around with it for 10 minutes or so at ground level then decided if @tailgunner can do this than anybody can I use a collapsible pole to set my tether using my rappel rope and a Pocono hitch. This is what I have been doing when practicing 1 sticking. I hooked my Madrock up and away I went. Made a couple of moves until I got to my upper tether, then rappelled down. The second time I climbed up to my upper tether and moved it up then made another move, then rappelled. I probably only went up to about 10 or 11 feet but not bad for a first attempt. I think you stable geniuses may be on to something after all! lol.

Yes!..... and tailgunner can do it in the dark,raining, falling down drunk.still safer than when i climb branches sober in the daylight. I do alot Of real world testing.i mean everyone i know shoots thier bow tipsy incase the elk come past camp sometimes.and they do.look ,i can barely comunicate in english have a luke warm IQ,3.5lbs of set up gear and 2tc.is so easy for me that i am imberased and get nerd chills for everyone who cant do it.im just here to inspire the smarter ,safer more capable people

 

[DroptineKrazy]

Tie a loop in the webbing, biner through the ropeman then through the webbing loop

 

[BTaylor]

@Red Beard does this fall under 2TC or one sticking? Have to fab a lower standoff for stability. Got the parts rounded up for that.

Just used a daisy chain I had handy for checking out the idea. Will have to make a permanent aider.


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[steveharvey]

Tie a loop in the webbing, biner through the ropeman then through the webbing loopView attachment 99715View attachment 99717

What is that buckle in the webbing? Is this a belt?

 

[gcr0003]

@Red Beard does this fall under 2TC or one sticking? Have to fab a lower standoff for stability. Got the parts rounded up for that.

Just used a daisy chain I had handy for checking out the idea. Will have to make a permanent aider.


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Looks like it falls under a pain in the butt to me!

 

[BTaylor]

Looks like it falls under a pain in the butt to me!

There are more comfortable seats than LW but it works fine for a change of position break during a long hunt.

 

[DroptineKrazy]

What is that buckle in the webbing? Is this a belt?

That strap is actually a military grade belt that my brother ordered by mistake online. The buckle works fine to adjust it to my foot and it's plenty strong for a footloop.

 

[steveharvey]

That strap is actually a military grade belt that my brother ordered by mistake online. The buckle works fine to adjust it to my foot and it's plenty strong for a footloop.

Interesting. I picked up a couple of military belts with intentions of sewing them to make a foot loop.

 

[Iron_llama]

Instead of trying to tie in a foot loop, you could use a separate loop (webbing, etc, I use the cgm foot loop) and clip it to the end of this tether, then that's plenty long. That's how I converted my LB to my bottom tether.

I've got a webbing footloop girth hitched to a longhorn agile on my tether. No metal, adjusts easily, efficient use of rope. I'll have to get some pictures when it warms up.

 

[gcr0003]

@Samcirrus have you been rappelling on the Maverick hitch? If so how do you go about it? I thought I heard you saying you use two ends of your rope for the top and bottom tether and then just explode and rappel on the top? I’m guessing you attach a chord to the release?

I’ve been tying the hitch at midline and feeding the tag end through the loop like normal to lock it out and then pulling that line out when I rappel to unlock it. Get to the ground, pull and explode. Pack up no hassle. It is a very sweet hitch. No metal, no extra gear, no pain to pull down.

I’m nervous about accidentally getting caught up in the rope and exploding the hitch as I rappel. I haven’t had an issue thus far but I’ve been very cautious to mitigate this concern by placing the tag end around the back side of the tree so I don’t come in contact with it as much. . It would only take some flailing around a platform or something for the rope to get tangled up and inadvertently pulled. I haven’t decided how I feel about it yet. Functionally I really like it.

 

[Antirain]

@Samcirrus have you been rappelling on the Maverick hitch? If so how do you go about it? I thought I heard you saying you use two ends of your rope for the top and bottom tether and then just explode and rappel on the top? I’m guessing you attach a chord to the release?

I’ve been tying the hitch at midline and feeding the tag end through the loop like normal to lock it out and then pulling that line out when I rappel to unlock it. Get to the ground, pull and explode. Pack up no hassle. It is a very sweet hitch. No metal, no extra gear, no pain to pull down.

I’m nervous about accidentally getting caught up in the rope and exploding the hitch as I rappel. I haven’t had an issue thus far but I’ve been very cautious to mitigate this concern by placing the tag end around the back side of the tree so I don’t come in contact with it as much. . It would only take some flailing around a platform or something for the rope to get tangled up and inadvertently pulled. I haven’t decided how I feel about it yet. Functionally I really like it.

I used the maverick all last season and love it as well. My feeling is that the exploding loop wouldn't pull out while weighted in a rappel- without some real effort. Might be a good thing to do some low testing for some self assurance. I'll have to do that myself in a couple months.

 

[Samcirrus]

@Samcirrus have you been rappelling on the Maverick hitch? If so how do you go about it? I thought I heard you saying you use two ends of your rope for the top and bottom tether and then just explode and rappel on the top? I’m guessing you attach a chord to the release?

I’ve been tying the hitch at midline and feeding the tag end through the loop like normal to lock it out and then pulling that line out when I rappel to unlock it. Get to the ground, pull and explode. Pack up no hassle. It is a very sweet hitch. No metal, no extra gear, no pain to pull down.

I’m nervous about accidentally getting caught up in the rope and exploding the hitch as I rappel. I haven’t had an issue thus far but I’ve been very cautious to mitigate this concern by placing the tag end around the back side of the tree so I don’t come in contact with it as much. . It would only take some flailing around a platform or something for the rope to get tangled up and inadvertently pulled. I haven’t decided how I feel about it yet. Functionally I really like it.

@Samcirrus have you been rappelling on the Maverick hitch? If so how do you go about it? I thought I heard you saying you use two ends of your rope for the top and bottom tether and then just explode and rappel on the top? I’m guessing you attach a chord to the release?

I’ve been tying the hitch at midline and feeding the tag end through the loop like normal to lock it out and then pulling that line out when I rappel to unlock it. Get to the ground, pull and explode. Pack up no hassle. It is a very sweet hitch. No metal, no extra gear, no pain to pull down.

I’m nervous about accidentally getting caught up in the rope and exploding the hitch as I rappel. I haven’t had an issue thus far but I’ve been very cautious to mitigate this concern by placing the tag end around the back side of the tree so I don’t come in contact with it as much. . It would only take some flailing around a platform or something for the rope to get tangled up and inadvertently pulled. I haven’t decided how I feel about it yet. Functionally I really like it.

Yes I have! I was using the JRB hitch before I saw John's Maverick hitch, and while at first I didn't like that you have to pull up 1 side over the tree, unlike the JRB hitch that just falls out, I soon learned the genius of it for setting presets and putting them back.
If I don't like the tree and won't leave a preset ill just use the other end my 2TC rope (60+ feet) to pull it down.
If I had a preset on SRT, or if I want to leave a preset after 2TC a tree for the first time then I use a 60' length of paracord(actually Mason line) for the pull down, then leave it as the preset because I keep a loop of it and refresh it in my saddle each time I leave one.

 

[Samcirrus]

I've done my own human drop tests on the Maverick hitch and it won't release easy under my body weight. You can look up at the big loop/bight as you rappel down too so you can have confidence as you go down. Should the loop ever get smaller STOP and tether in the tree with the other end of your rope and figure it out....
I think it's more than trustworthy!

 

[Samcirrus]

@Samcirrus have you been rappelling on the Maverick hitch? If so how do you go about it? I thought I heard you saying you use two ends of your rope for the top and bottom tether and then just explode and rappel on the top? I’m guessing you attach a chord to the release?

I’ve been tying the hitch at midline and feeding the tag end through the loop like normal to lock it out and then pulling that line out when I rappel to unlock it. Get to the ground, pull and explode. Pack up no hassle. It is a very sweet hitch. No metal, no extra gear, no pain to pull down.

I’m nervous about accidentally getting caught up in the rope and exploding the hitch as I rappel. I haven’t had an issue thus far but I’ve been very cautious to mitigate this concern by placing the tag end around the back side of the tree so I don’t come in contact with it as much. . It would only take some flailing around a platform or something for the rope to get tangled up and inadvertently pulled. I haven’t decided how I feel about it yet. Functionally I really like it.

As for getting tangled.....I feel you have to be doing some crazy dancing while rappelling to get it tangled with a pull down line!
You can leave a bight of the pull down line in the Maverick's locking bight as a safety as well. Just pull enough through to have gravity and friction keep it from pulling out. Ill try to take a picture or video of whati mean soon.

 

[mschultz373]

alright this is my footloop line. marine grade quick link, 1300lb 2" webbing tied with a water knot, ropeman1 with carabiner.

how'd I do? Haven't gotten to try it with my saddle yet - wanna make sure Im not at risk of dying. there's a stopper knot at the end of the line also.

 

[Cbigbear]

@Red Beard does this fall under 2TC or one sticking? Have to fab a lower standoff for stability. Got the parts rounded up for that.

Just used a daisy chain I had handy for checking out the idea. Will have to make a permanent aider.


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I tried this with a Loc-on Limit back in the day. It was a bit more difficult than a stick so ended up just using a 32” LW stick.

 

[BTaylor]

I tried this with a Loc-on Limit back in the day. It was a bit more difficult than a stick so ended up just using a 32” LW stick.

What was your stand attachment back then? I dont remember what was on the limit. My back in the day Loc-on was a lem with the chain. I am hoping the LW cam strap will make it some better than the old attachments. I will likely only use this setup for most or all day sits. So if the climb is a little slower, I am ok with that. And I may decide I hate it too lol.

 

[Cbigbear]

What was your stand attachment back then? I dont remember what was on the limit. My back in the day Loc-on was a lem with the chain. I am hoping the LW cam strap will make it some better than the old attachments. I will likely only use this setup for most or all day sits. So if the climb is a little slower, I am ok with that. And I may decide I hate it too lol.

It was a ring & hook with a cam buckle adjuster. I switched it out to a regular LW cam buckle strap & added a versa button.

 

[BTaylor]

Threw this together last night for proof of concept. The idea was to see if dual prussic’s would work for a mid line option to 2TC on a rappel rope. Need a much shorter prussic on the left side but seemed like it will work fine. The long loop on one side will provide slack for moving up. It is also fast and easy to do at the tree and remove once up. Anybody already tried this or similar? If so how did it work for you?

Edit cause I am laughing at my dum bass. I didnt realize until I posted the pic, I already had a short hitch on the tether. Never noticed it last night LOL.
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[Samcirrus]

alright this is my footloop line. marine grade quick link, 1300lb 2" webbing tied with a water knot, ropeman1 with carabiner. View attachment 100243

how'd I do? Haven't gotten to try it with my saddle yet - wanna make sure Im not at risk of dying. there's a stopper knot at the end of the line also.

You're definitely at risk of dying, just not sure if your 2TC system is what'll kill you....
Looks beefy enough!
The metal in your system is strong but you may find that in 2TC the less metal the better, because of the movement of the 2 tethers coupled with your carabiners to your bridge can have unwanted clanking as you're moving everything up the tree.
When you get comfortable with what you're using, try using hitches and a metal free tree hitch soft shackle like Seekbigger's or a Maverick hitch or BTaylor's new shebang lol.