Why not use dynamic rope for one-sticking?

[raisins]

I think it’s really not that hard (LB plus 3 step aider) once you practice and understand to put your weight back into your LB rather then climb like a traditional ladder.

What I do think is hard and dangerous is advancing your tether while still in the aider

what about tending slack out of tether as you climb on an aider?

 

[_Dario]

I don’t do that at all. My anchor is always above me (LB). I take care of the tether when I’m on top of my stick.

maybe you are asking about tending tether slack as you advance in lieu of using LB? My thing with that is that now you have this tight tether you need to loosen up and then move up the tree. It’s difficult to do one handed, so you throw on your LB, right? Why not just use it the whole way up instead of all that

 

[Fl Canopy Stalker]

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I don’t do that at all. My anchor is always above me (LB). I take care of the tether when I’m on top of my stick.

maybe you are asking about tending tether slack as you advance in lieu of using LB? My thing with that is that now you have this tight tether you need to loosen up and then move up the tree. It’s difficult to do one handed, so you throw on your LB, right? Why not just use it the whole way up instead of all that

It’s a shame that a tree squeeze wouldn’t work with one sticking. That would be perfect. But yes that’s why I said it has to be practiced often to get the technique down. I see so many videos of guys reaching around the tree and lifting their lineman’s rope with their hands. Not only is that introducing slack but it’s also putting your fingers in harms way. Glad to hear someone has embraced leaning outward and flipping the rope up with both hands positioned on the rope outside of the tree radius.

 

[Thogg]

Dynamic or static has little to do with negating the dangers, the short amount of rope involved for saddle Hunters makes the dynamic in Dynamic ropes a non-factor. Ask any climber whether they take a 10 ft fall on 5 ft of rope or a 200-foot fall on a hundred feet of rope. I've done them both and I'll take the 200 footer everyday.
The slack is the factor if you want to be safe and reduce the potential for injury. The system allows you to be on a tight belay from the ground up. Fall forces never need to come in to the equation.
I'm sure I'm not the fastest climber but I'll just get there a little bit earlier and leave later on my own two feet.

 

[Fl Canopy Stalker]

Dynamic or static has little to do with negating the dangers, the short amount of rope involved for saddle Hunters makes the dynamic in Dynamic ropes a non-factor. Ask any climber whether they take a 10 ft fall on 5 ft of rope or a 200-foot fall on a hundred feet of rope. I've done them both and I'll take the 200 footer everyday.
The slack is the factor if you want to be safe and reduce the potential for injury. The system allows you to be on a tight belay from the ground up. Fall forces never need to come in to the equation.
I'm sure I'm not the fastest climber but I'll just get there a little bit earlier and leave later on my own two feet.

One sticking does not allow you to be on a tight belay from the ground up, because one stick climbers often climb above their tether. Also you listed 2:1 fall factors, don’t most climbers avoid 2:1 falls in mountain and rock climbs? I also disagree with your saddle hunters using dynamic rope equals non factor. My tethers are low elongation ropes (not as static as static rope but not as stretchy as dynamic rope) and they definitely helped absorb some of the fall force.

 

[josh9284]

I would be inclined to think at at 15-20 ft the dynamic rope would really have enough time for the stretch to actually slow you down any faster than a static. I vote doesn't matter, go slow and methodical, and practice practice practice.

 

[kyler1945]

It’s a shame that a tree squeeze wouldn’t work with one sticking. That would be perfect.

This was one of my biggest disappointments - I love everything about a tree squeeze. Stinks it wouldn’t really work with devices in front and above you on a tree.

 

[bfriendly]

Every time I read one of these threads every half year or so I wonder why I one stick. Makes me think long and hard about 2TCing, or at least one sticking with only one aider step and advancing the tether more than once per stick placement. Less slack should equal less risk.

I pinch my cheeks a little each move and am trying to do it more often as well for the same reason. I am using a full length stick (36” Hawk) w/single step aider most of the time so I usually move tether twice each move (every 2 steps) of the stick…..I’m in no rush, just trying to be quiet.
Any slack is dangerous which is why I’m trying to learn other methods too! Bet!
As far as the ropes are concerned I don’t think it really matters which rope you use. I’m using one I trust my life with. If I do things right, I’ll make it home after each hunt.

 

[dubbeltap69]

I'll still take a 30% stretch dynamic rope over a 5% stretch static rope fall any day. My math might be wrong, but 30% is 6X more shock absorbing than 5%, even if the amount of rope is 1 foot. The last time I fell it was about 3 feet (when the strap on my stick slipped out), add in the amount of rope around the tree, and the amount of rope is now more like 6 feet. I don't even want to think about the forces my back would have felt if I had been using static rope.

I have a couple of questions....
What's the drawbacks of using a dynamic rope?
If it adds in a factor of safety, even if a small amount, why not use it?

 

[MattMan81]

I'll still take a 30% stretch dynamic rope over a 5% stretch static rope fall any day. My math might be wrong, but 30% is 6X more shock absorbing than 5%, even if the amount of rope is 1 foot. The last time I fell it was about 3 feet (when the strap on my stick slipped out), add in the amount of rope around the tree, and the amount of rope is now more like 6 feet. I don't even want to think about the forces my back would have felt if I had been using static rope.

I have a couple of questions....
What's the drawbacks of using a dynamic rope?
If it adds in a factor of safety, even if a small amount, why not use it?

There is no real draw back. Only thing you need to be aware of, is just because you have a dynamic rope does not mean a fall will save you or not cause injury. It MAY help absorb some impact. But the point most of us are trying to say is that it is not a 100% guarantee. There are so many factors at play, and to think falling is no big deal because you have dynamic rope or/and screamer can not be proved 100% either way. That's what some of us are trying to say.

 

[Fl Canopy Stalker]

I'll still take a 30% stretch dynamic rope over a 5% stretch static rope fall any day. My math might be wrong, but 30% is 6X more shock absorbing than 5%, even if the amount of rope is 1 foot. The last time I fell it was about 3 feet (when the strap on my stick slipped out), add in the amount of rope around the tree, and the amount of rope is now more like 6 feet. I don't even want to think about the forces my back would have felt if I had been using static rope.

I have a couple of questions....
What's the drawbacks of using a dynamic rope?
If it adds in a factor of safety, even if a small amount, why not use it?

Abrasion resistance and longevity are the biggest drawbacks. Finding a good neutral color , the stretch while at height, and making sure you get the proper type of dynamic rope are the other drawbacks but those are all minor in the scope of things. For me the better solution was rope that was somewhere in the middle of static rope and dynamic rope

 

[dubbeltap69]

There is no real draw back. Only thing you need to be aware of, is just because you have a dynamic rope does not mean a fall will save you or not cause injury. It MAY help absorb some impact. But the point most of us are trying to say is that it is not a 100% guarantee. There are so many factors at play, and to think falling is no big deal because you have dynamic rope or/and screamer can not be proved 100% either way. That's what some of us are trying to say.

100% agree. No guarantees on anything. Just trying to stack the odds in my favor.

 

[Fl Canopy Stalker]

100% agree. No guarantees on anything. Just trying to stack the odds in my favor.

Every little bit helps!

 

[Samcirrus]

100% agree. No guarantees on anything. Just trying to stack the odds in my favor.

Then try 2TC! Super safe and just as fast as 1 sticking....minus the dangerous parts

 

[Fl Canopy Stalker]

Then try 2TC! Super safe and just as fast as 1 sticking....minus the dangerous parts

In 2TC you do not climb above your connection point which is great, but you still introduce slack to your tether when you stand up and to adjust it up higher, while standing on a foot loop. It also requires more moves than one sticking. While I agree it’s definitely safer than one sticking, from forces generated in a fall, there is still potential for falls.

 

[dubbeltap69]

In 2TC you do not climb above your connection point which is great, but you still introduce slack to your tether when you stand up and to adjust it up higher, while standing on a foot loop. It also requires more moves than one sticking. While I agree it’s definitely safer than one sticking, from forces generated in a fall, there is still potential for falls.

I'll be honest I had to look that up. I watched a YouTube video that made me question the guys sanity. I probably watched the wrong video. He had the straps wrapped around his thighs... it looked sketchy as heck. I assume one tether should be to your saddle, and then the other to climb with. That I can see being safer as the fall distance would never be more than one step.

 

[Fl Canopy Stalker]

I'll be honest I had to look that up. I watched a YouTube video that made me question the guys sanity. I probably watched the wrong video. He had the straps wrapped around his thighs... it looked sketchy as heck. I assume one tether should be to your saddle, and then the other to climb with. That I can see being safer as the fall distance would never be more than one step.

@Red Beard and @always89y I think you guys are more qualified to explain the intricacies of the 2TC.
I won’t say anyone is crazy for their climbing method. One stick guys aren’t crazy but it is the riskiest climbing method I can think of. 2TC is a middle compromise because 2TC is a very lightweight set up and your “fall distance to fall factor” is very minimal. It doesn’t cost much to get the gear to climb with, and it’s easily the most packable option. I have done it a few times and it wasn’t my cup of tea. I practice it nowadays more as a potential self rescue, but Redbeard makes it look easy lol

 

[Samcirrus]

@Red Beard and @always89y I think you guys are more qualified to explain the intricacies of the 2TC.
I won’t say anyone is crazy for their climbing method. One stick guys aren’t crazy but it is the riskiest climbing method I can think of. 2TC is a middle compromise because 2TC is a very lightweight set up and your “fall distance to fall factor” is very minimal. It doesn’t cost much to get the gear to climb with, and it’s easily the most packable option. I have done it a few times and it wasn’t my cup of tea. I practice it nowadays more as a potential self rescue, but Redbeard makes it look easy lol

Well, I was really just taking a dig at 1-stick ers and didn't mean to hijack the thread! All that said before I let you get back to topic, @dubbyou should watch northfourty's YouTube climb for the smoothest quickest demonstration of 2TC so far.

 

[Samcirrus]

Back to the topic....I had a question: what distance is considered a 'fall' because if I slip 6" or even 18" I wouldn't consider that a fall at all or be concerned about my body. That's why I think in 2TC if you stick to @18" moves you're never really gonna "fall", unlike 1-stick ing where it could be 6 feet or so by the looks of some videos.

 

[raisins]

Well, I was really just taking a dig at 1-stick ers and didn't mean to hijack the thread! All that said before I let you get back to topic, @dubbyou should watch northfourty's YouTube climb for the smoothest quickest demonstration of 2TC so far.

Link? Googling it shows a bunch of channels with similar names.