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Would you trust 1/8 Amsteel to hang your platform or stand?

Ok guys, platforms and sticks are not considered life safety and therefore the WLL factor is much lower than say climbing rope or your harness…. Typical rigging WLL (working load limit) for non life safety items is 1/3 the tensile strength of the rope or strap. Say you are using 1/8” amsteel and you splice it with a locked Brummell. For argument sake we will say the Brummell splice loses 20% (the number is different depending on so many factors to discuss here, but 20% is a safe number to use) so 1/8” has a breaking strength of 2700 lbs give or take…. The working load limit for that rope would be 900 lbs. now we subtract 20% for the splice so 1/8 amsteel would now be 2160 lbs with a working load limit of 720 lbs….
7/64 is where it gets tricky 1400 for the rope minus 20% would now be 1120 lbs. so 1/3 would be around 373 lbs. now keep in mind that this is brand new so with 7/64 it is safe enough to work but it doesn’t leave you much safety factor as the rope seasons… In my opinion either would work but 1/8 would last much longer as an attachment method.
Also someone said amsteel rope isn’t as abrasion resistant as nylon webbing. That is very very false. Rope is usually much more abrasion resistant than webbing and amsteel is far and away more abrasion resistant (and UV/water ect) resistant than nylon. I hear people mention the little burrs of split microfibers they get when using amsteel. All ropes do that it’s just easier to notice on dyneema because they are so slick that they separate and stand up. Polyester and nylon is heavier and the burred threads stay down more and aren’t as easy to see. If you ever want to test the abrasion resistance of nylon vs dyneema, get you a pair of scissors, get 1/4 nylon dock line and get 1/4 amsteel try to cut both of them without taping the section you’re cutting. One rope will cut in one or two passes of the scissors and the other will dull the blades and leave you practically sawing through it lol
 
kyler1945 said:
I use 1/8” daisy chains/trucker hitch on my stand.

I get it tighter than straps.

I intend to replace them yearly. Amsteel is cheap.

I may build 3/16 chains this season. I also have replaced my stand cables with 3/16” amsteel whoopie as well. These two modifications have shaved significant weight and even more significant noise from the setup.

I hunt with a tight tether when in hang on.
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Your saying you replaced the cables supporting the stand platform with amsteel?
 
John 35 said:
Your saying you replaced the cables supporting the stand platform with amsteel?
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They are usually just 1/4+/-” braided cable with cable crimps creating loops or a ring type terminal. Using an adjustable whoopie can give stands the ability to level/tilt when they might not normally do so as well.


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Aeds151 said:
They are usually just 1/4+/-” braided cable with cable crimps creating loops or a ring type terminal. Using an adjustable whoopie can give stands the ability to level/tilt when they might not normally do so as well.


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I am not positive but I think it’s 1/8”. With a 400lb WLL, doubled because there’s 2. Not exactly, but it’s hard to weight one without weighting the other.

3/16” amsteel in configuration I have has WLL much higher.
 
High end hammock suspensions are 7/64 amsteel so there’s that but if if fails, you only drop a few feet. For me, 1/8 adds an extra safety margin without going overboard.


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John 35 said:
Your saying you replaced the cables supporting the stand platform with amsteel?
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That’s literally what amsteel was created for. A replacement in the Maritime industry for the huge docking lines and tow cables. The tow cables would often rust even (stainless ones) and are expensive. A super strong UV resistant polymer was desired to replace those cables and ropes… now we have amsteel replacing winch cable for 4 wheel drives, tow cables on trucks and ships, and Kyler did a cool thing and applied that same concept to his stands. As long as he inspects them before use, it’s perfectly safe
 
Fl Canopy Stalker said:
That’s literally what amsteel was created for. A replacement in the Maritime industry for the huge docking lines and tow cables. The tow cables would often rust even (stainless ones) and are expensive. A super strong UV resistant polymer was desired to replace those cables and ropes… now we have amsteel replacing winch cable for 4 wheel drives, tow cables on trucks and ships, and Kyler did a cool thing and applied that same concept to his stands. As long as he inspects them before use, it’s perfectly safe
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Quite frankly I’m shocked it isn’t patent pending. It’s the cheapest 1/2lb you can shave off a stand. In terms of money, effort, integrity, the whole bunch.

I suspect there’s quite a few squirrels in the branches doing the same thing.
 
kyler1945 said:
I am not positive but I think it’s 1/8”. With a 400lb WLL, doubled because there’s 2. Not exactly, but it’s hard to weight one without weighting the other.

3/16” amsteel in configuration I have has WLL much higher.
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How's this holding up?
 
AttackMode said:
How's this holding up?
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Sits in the closet because I never use hang on. But it’s in fine shape.

I’d trust the amsteel in a static load like this over steel cable any day.

I’m not suggesting that folks are competent and qualified to build their own system here. But assuming it’s built correctly, amsteel in this application should be a lifetime (of the stand)component. Either way it should far outlast steel cable. It should be inspected every use, like every component used at height.
 
kyler1945 said:
Sits in the closet because I never use hang on. But it’s in fine shape.

I’d trust the amsteel in a static load like this over steel cable any day.

I’m not suggesting that folks are competent and qualified to build their own system here. But assuming it’s built correctly, amsteel in this application should be a lifetime (of the stand)component. Either way it should far outlast steel cable. It should be inspected every use, like every component used at height.
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Thx for the reply. Another question, what type of connection do you have to the post? I plan on girth hitching to the platform.
BTaylor said:
I used it on my windwalker to have the ability to level the stand and it worked perfectly all season.
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Daisy or whoopie sling?
 
Glade someone reposted this. I have some whoopsie slings not doing much. Will try them on my platform.
 
MattMan81 said:
Glade someone reposted this. I have some whoopsie slings not doing much. Will try them on my platform.
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My advice would be to use the whoopies only to replace the cables. That's what I've done and it works great.
I would not use whoopies to replace the straps, though. I tried it and whoopies can get so tight that it's hard to undo them when you want to remove the stand. I thought that I was going to have to cut the Amsteel to get my stand off the tree.
If you want to replace the strap with Amsteel, do it with a daisy chain and trucker's hitch.
 
I use 7/64” for home made daisy chains and use them for quick sticks and predator platform. Works excellent. I use ratchet straps for hand ons because I preset them before season. Saddle if I need to go mobile.
 
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