Can you build a 1.3 pound stick

[Ontariofarmer]

Dan infault stick is 1.4 lbs with cam buckle from what I heard at 70 per stick


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I know and that is a better deal but his probably won't be available this year from what I read. That would be a very simple way and much less costly way to get the sticks.
@ImThere has steps you could use with 1/16 wall 6061 T6 aluminium and easily get a stick under 2 pounds and probably close to 1.6 pounds if you stole the right hardware from other sticks.
Using hardware from other sticks and the @ImThere steps it would only cost $25 per stick for the steps and not much for the post.

 

[IkemanTX]

No they're in Utah I believe. The concern is the dust from drilling or cutting. I did an aircraft fire course with the investigators from Peggy's Cove and that's one of the biggest learning moments from their investigation. Without proper respiratory protection, the dust gets in your lungs and stays there.

The cheapest I've found this morning is from dragon plate. The 1" economy wrap @ 96" for $138 USD plus shipping.



If he goes with the Bowhunter15 design, the steps and brackets use the same fasteners so they'll be like big washers. I'd add an aluminum insert inside the rube like Bowhunter15 did any ways just to stop any potential wearing in the tube.

You know, that is very true on the steps and brackets acting like washers. I guess the only point that could possibly need strengthening would be the Cam cleat area... hhhmmmmm now this REALLY has the potential to be an easy build.

This website is going to make me go broke!


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[Ontariofarmer]

Hahaha you're good with a N95 mask I believe. Just didn't want to see you fill your lungs with carbon fibre particles that the can't expel.

I like where you're going with this. I'm really trying to think out the best climbing method for me. I thought about it all day yesterday...

A custom stick like this would definitely be the lightest climbing option at ~ 4lbs.

3 modified heliums at ~ 6 pounds.

6 stepps at ~ 6 lbs with cain's method.

Preset trees with bolts, then use one stick to get up to them and one stick it if I need to hunt a different tree: ~ 2lbs.

I still don't know. Paralysis by analysis.

I'm personally starting to like the stepps because of the profile. For me last year, the weight didn't bother me as much as trying to manoeuvre a 32" helium and my bow through the bush. Would a 24" stick(s) be much of a difference? Probably. But I think 6 stepps would be the smallest profile, but for a 50% weight increase.

I guess I just have to commit to something and go with it.

A 24 inch stick will strap to most packs. The steps will fill up you pack. The 24 inch stick will be a smaller profile than most packs.

 

[Ontariofarmer]

Very true. And much like our saddles, it is a once and done kind of investment for every tree you would ever want to sit. I look forward to you possibly moving forward with this project. I had looked for tubular titanium at one point for the same reasons. I found its availability and price to be the limiting factors for me.

I have to be careful how many tinkering projects I take on, and how much they cost, so my wife doesn’t **** me down entirely. Hahahaha


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I have already bought 1/8 6061, 3/23 6061 and 1/16 6061 for post to test and even drill out holes. So experimenting has already cost more than carbon fiber posts. Innovators always lose money. That is why I like other guys to try things and I will follow the ideas that work. It costs more for Canadian's to innovate than Americans.

 

[20ftup]

I have already bought 1/8 6061, 3/23 6061 and 1/16 6061 for post to test and even drill out holes. So experimenting has already cost more than carbon fiber posts. Innovators always lose money. That is why I like other guys to try things and I will follow the ideas that work.

You should have no problems drilling holes in the 16th wall tubing as long as you do it right I believe that’s how dan is getting his weight down and his step seem to have a super low profile smallest I’ve seen.


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[Babshaft]

I have already bought 1/8 6061, 3/23 6061 and 1/16 6061 for post to test and even drill out holes. So experimenting has already cost more than carbon fiber posts. Innovators always lose money. That is why I like other guys to try things and I will follow the ideas that work.

100%.

A 24 inch stick will strap to most packs. The steps will fill up you pack. The 24 inch stick will be a smaller profile than most packs.

I think you're right and it's the reason I haven't committed to the stepps yet.

If I was even remotely intelligent, I'd cut down the helium I already own and start carrying it with me when I'm scouting to see how it is.

 

[Ontariofarmer]

You should have no problems drilling holes in the 16th wall tubing as long as you do it right I believe that’s how dan is getting his weight down and his step seem to have a super low profile smallest I’ve seen.


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I would probably buy Dan's sticks if I knew I could get them. But I already have sticks that I can steal hardware off and then I can change things around. I ordered 8 @ImThere steps already.

 

[Ontariofarmer]

100%.



I think you're right and it's the reason I haven't committed to the stepps yet.

If I was even remotely intelligent, I'd cut down the helium I already own and start carrying it with me when I'm scouting to see how it is.

A good way to try shorter sticks. It is not hard if you have a drill press and carefully place the holes. A cut off saw is nice too. But a hacksaw and vice will work.

 

[20ftup]

Not trying to discourage anyone from diy stick. I definitely wouldn’t go the cf route though to expensive and barely any if anyweight lose compared to perforated tubing


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[ImThere]

Not trying to discourage anyone from diy stick. I definitely wouldn’t go the cf route though to expensive and barely any if anyweight lose compared to perforated tubing


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Not true IMHO quite a bit of weight savings

 

[Babshaft]

I have already bought 1/8 6061, 3/23 6061 and 1/16 6061 for post to test and even drill out holes. So experimenting has already cost more than carbon fiber posts. Innovators always lose money. That is why I like other guys to try things and I will follow the ideas that work. It costs more for Canadian's to innovate than Americans.

Where did you buy your aluminum from? I couldn't get anything smaller than 1/8 wall 6061 here.

 

[20ftup]

Not true IMHO quite a bit of weight savings

You would lose 4 ounce compared cf to aluminum I’m not 100 percent but I believe you could drill hole and lose that amount in the aluminum tubing


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[20ftup]

2.7 once between the two bowhunter15 has talked about it in the dan ifault stick page if I was semi computer literate I would post the link


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[Ontariofarmer]

Where did you buy your aluminum from? I couldn't get anything smaller than 1/8 wall 6061 here.

Canada steel in Goderich had the 3/32. The 1/16 was more expensive because it comes from the USA from online metals.

I have some extra 3/32 if you want to pay shipping and my costs. I would send it cut to 24 inch lengths. I had to buy 24 feet. I think it cost just over $2 per foot. Don't ask what the 1/16 wall cost.

A 3/32 wall drilled out with 3/8 holes every inch on the left and right side of the stick but not opposite each other with lone wolf stand offs, @ImThere steps and Ronstan micro carbon cleat with 5mm tech rope will be around 1.9 pounds. Or just use a versa button and 8 mm rope for the same weight.
Lone wolf standoffs are much lighter than muddy.

 

[redsquirrel]

https://dragonplate.com/docs/DPSpecRecTube.pdf

Does this work or am I crazy...

We'll find out. I have been thinking about this for 2 years now. I finally bit the bullet 2 weeks ago and ordered a 24" section. I have no idea if it is going to work or not but the thought has been in my brain too long to not at least order one to put my hands on and see.

 

[Ontariofarmer]

We'll find out. I have been thinking about this for 2 years now. I finally bit the bullet 2 weeks ago and ordered a 24" section. I have no idea if it is going to work or not but the thought has been in my brain too long to not at least order one to put my hands on and see.

I might bite the bullet today. It could drive the price up if it works. It is too big a weight savings to pass up.

 

[Ontariofarmer]

I have heard about it on and off on this forum but we need some of us to bite the bullet.

 

[Ontariofarmer]

If you put this post on a Dan Infalt stick it would go to about one pound.

 

[Ontariofarmer]

Talking to The Dragon Plate people. Carbon fiber tubes will be stronger than Aluminium but they will not bend and give you a warning. They will shatter. I have seen that many times with hockey sticks. I may try one and test it.

 

[ImThere]

We'll find out. I have been thinking about this for 2 years now. I finally bit the bullet 2 weeks ago and ordered a 24" section. I have no idea if it is going to work or not but the thought has been in my brain too long to not at least order one to put my hands on and see.

Has it showed up yet?