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Can you build a 1.3 pound stick

Ontariofarmer said:
Some one has to try it. Red’s and Ontario’s garage sale got bigger.

Hockey sticks are smaller diameter carbon and take a lot of weight and abuse. But when they brake they shatter


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They're also put under a lot more stress.
 
ImThere said:
No stress!!!! What!!!


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The only stress is on the pocket book and the worry I might lead someone astray... It may not be safe. So go out and buy those three pound sticks and have fun. I do not like them.
Two years ago I would not have time for this nonsense but I rented my barn and just have to crop some acres. I used to have mostly 60 hour weeks now I have 30 hours except for a few months of super busy. I always tried a million things in the barn to get better. Now I do it here.
I don't watch TV go to movies, drink, smoke, I only chase my wife and of course spend some time on this site. I am going to scout a property today. I fixed a boiler this morning. Sixty and have a 3/4 time job.
My other activity is helping my mom and mother in law who need the help. Hunting and trying new things related to hunting is not stressful. Especially when you have not did it all your life. It is fun and interesting.

Red...you have a job and a baby and wife. Hunting and trying new stuff will be way more stressful for you I did not even bother trying to hunt when I was in your situation. My youngest kid is 24 years old so I am way past your stage of lifel
I figure some day I may not be able to hunt so I will enjoy it to the max.
 
redsquirrel said:
They're also put under a lot more stress.
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Ontariofarmer said:
The only stress is on the pocket book and the worry I might lead someone astray... It may not be safe. So go out and buy those three pound sticks and have fun. I do not like them.
Two years ago I would not have time for this nonsense but I rented my barn and just have to crop some acres. I used to have mostly 60 hour weeks now I have 30 hours except for a few months of super busy. I always tried a million things in the barn to get better. Now I do it here.
I don't watch TV go to movies, drink, smoke, I only chase my wife and of course spend some time on this site. I am going to scout a property today. I fixed a boiler this morning. Sixty and have a 3/4 time job.
My other activity is helping my mom and mother in law who need the help. Hunting and trying new things related to hunting is not stressful. Especially when you have not did it all your life. It is fun and interesting.

Red...you have a job and a baby and wife. Hunting and trying new stuff will be way more stressful for you I did not even bother trying to hunt when I was in your situation. My youngest kid is 24 years old so I am way past your stage of lifel
I figure so day I may not be able to hunt so I will enjoy it to the max.
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lol. Hunting and related activities is my stress relief. But I meant that a hockey stick is put under way more stress than a climbing stick.
 
redsquirrel said:
lol. Hunting and related activities is my stress relief. But I meant that a hockey stick is put under way more stress than a climbing stick.
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Haha Yes I have played alot of hockey and I am sure that a hockey stick is under way more stress. That is why it may work for our application if we can drill the stuff and it handles the perpendicular stress from the bolt.

I wonder if it broke if it would split right down the middle without warning.
 
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bowhunter15 said:
I can build you a set of 1 pound sticks if you're willing to pay for them and sign a liability waiver :) . One of the huge reasons I did aluminum vs CF for mine is price. 24" of braided CF tube is $45-75. Meanwhile a 24" piece of .065" 6061 T6 aluminum is $3.88. Plus with CF, as others mentioned drilling isn't as straightforward, and I wasn't sure how well the CF surface would handle the loads. I figured I might need to reinforce certain areas on the inside, which would take away from some of the weight savings. It could likely work and do alright, but is taking the overall pack weight from 12lb to 10lb really even going to be noticeable for the extra $150-200? Moreso on paper I think. The same type of tradeoffs pop up in ultralight backpacking when people start comparing something like 800 fill down vs 900 fill. Difference is there, cost is also there, and you have to put on some serious miles to tell the difference.

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My thoughts exactly. I also wonder how resin will hold up in extreme cold.

Like I said in a previous post - the most effective weight cutting I did on my hunting system last year resided just south of my belly button. I am doing cross fit 3 times a week now and I am down 30 pounds. I still have another 20 I can loose. Once I get that under control I might think about carbon tubes..... but probably not. @bowhunter15 did you ever get my PM about steps?
 
DaveT1963 said:
My thoughts exactly. I also wonder how resin will hold up in extreme cold.

Like I said in a previous post - the most effective weight cutting I did on my hunting system last year resided just south of my belly button. I am doing cross fit 3 times a week now and I am down 30 pounds. I still have another 20 I can loose. Once I get that under control I might think about carbon tubes..... but probably not. @bowhunter15 did you ever get my PM about steps?
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I got a one about platforms but not steps.

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DaveT1963 said:
My thoughts exactly. I also wonder how resin will hold up in extreme cold.

Like I said in a previous post - the most effective weight cutting I did on my hunting system last year resided just south of my belly button. I am doing cross fit 3 times a week now and I am down 30 pounds. I still have another 20 I can loose. Once I get that under control I might think about carbon tubes..... but probably not. @bowhunter15 did you ever get my PM about steps?
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Dave
My idea for a lighter stick comes from @bowhunter15 . I am just trying to go a step further. Bowhunter15 is a much better engineer than me. So he is probably right. If I knew his thoughts before I started I may not have started.
I find that every pound I do not carry does make a difference though. Going to a Kestrel from an aerohunter made a difference. Going from muddy pros to your shorter sticks makes a difference. Dropping one stick and using aiders help me out. I will try the hammock seat next.
I have carried many 60 pound packs and 60 pound canoes over rough portages in years past. MY knees and body do not like that anymore. As Randy Travis says "Time takes it's toll on the body"
I like light, light, light. If I keep in shape and keep reducing weight maybe I can hunt moblile for another 15 years.
Also I did not know that bowhunter 15 was selling steps. I bought some from @ImThere..

I agree about getting in shape. I am not grossly overweight and have been working out more than I used to. Losing 20 pounds would not hurt me. I am 200 pounds and 5 foot 10 .My work was always physical so I never bothered until recently except for cutting 60 face cord of wood per year, riding my bike, scouting and walking, doing physio exercises.

Working with 6000 pigs each year kept me in shape.
 
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No worries Ontario we all attack things for are own reasons --- now when the heck you going to invite me up to chase those big CA bucks ;)
 
DaveT1963 said:
No worries Ontario we all attack things for are own reasons --- now when the heck you going to invite me up to chase those big CA bucks ;)
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That would be a lot of fun. In my county they do not issue any non resident tags for bow for sure and maybe the gun hunt I am not sure. This is the area I know. I would be game if we could interest another Ontario resident that has hunting in their area. An area they know.
They do issue non resident tags for other areas of Ontario maybe @Babshaft or @fawnzy areas. I have a tag good for anywhere in the province but I have only hunted my county.
We have a lot of hunting pressure in our county so most of the deer do not get huge. That said since I started hunting from a saddle in hard to reach spots I have seen more opportunities..Next year I hope to close the deal.
 
Ontariofarmer said:
That would be a lot of fun. In my county they do not issue any non resident tags for bow for sure and maybe the gun hunt I am not sure. This is the area I know. I would be game if we could interest another Ontario resident that has hunting in their area. An area they know.
They do issue non resident tags for other areas of Ontario maybe @Babshaft or @fawnzy areas. I have a tag good for anywhere in the province but I have only hunted my county.
We have a lot of hunting pressure in our county so most of the deer do not get huge. That said since I started hunting from a saddle in hard to reach spots I have seen more opportunities..Next year I hope to close the deal.
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@DaveT1963 , don't you dare get me excited like that! Dude if you're willing to come up here I will get you organized for Ontario. I'm in the Ottawa region, which doesn't have a ton of huge bucks, but I have access to a lot of spots further north. I have access to great deer in the North Bay area and if there was enough interest, I have a family friend who is a retired MNR biologist in Kenora (real northern Ontario) that has amazing hunting opportunities for large whitetail (the kind Scott Shawl loves to hunt). I'd trade a northern Ontario hunt for a Rio Grande turkey hunt any day.

Anyways, sorry I got so excited lol.

I'm loving this thread, because it's nice to see guys who want the best and aren't willing to compromise. I truly believe you would have no issues using the carbon fibre. If you've been launching clap bombs with a CF hockey stick, you'll be adding significantly less load/stress etc. to the climbing stick. I know rockwest composites advertises CF as 25% stronger than aluminum and 33% lighter in equivalent applications. And I think it's awesome that you're going to test it out for safety first. It's the prudent thing for sure and really doesn't take much time.

Cheers!
 
So I drilled out a 3/32 post

Starting weight 396 g
Ending weight after drilling out 5/8 holes every inch 333g percentage weight loss 63/396= 16 %
Estimated weight of a 1/16 wall stick 272 g

Estimated stick weight

Steps 99 gx2
standoffs with bolts... lone wolf 88x2
cam cleat plus rope 70 g
post 333 g or 272 g

777 g for drilled out 3/32 stick or 1.711 pounds

716 g for non drilled 1/16 wall stick 1.58 pounds. estimated

If I drill out the 1/16 wall stick you lose some weight too. Is it safe.. I don't know

272*.065 3/8 holes lose 17 g
272 13 % lose 34 g with 1/2 holes
272 g with 5/8 holes lose 50 g total weight... 666 g I don't like that number so 667 g or 1.46 pounds.

That is all estimated and I do not know if it is safe. I am not an engineer.

Maybe that is how you get Dan Infalt's 1.4 pound stick. Maybe I will never be allow to buy Dan's stick's now...

They will be cheaper than me trying to build them.



Estimated weights.
 
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Babshaft said:
@DaveT1963 , don't you dare get me excited like that! Dude if you're willing to come up here I will get you organized for Ontario. I'm in the Ottawa region, which doesn't have a ton of huge bucks, but I have access to a lot of spots further north. I have access to great deer in the North Bay area and if there was enough interest, I have a family friend who is a retired MNR biologist in Kenora (real northern Ontario) that has amazing hunting opportunities for large whitetail (the kind Scott Shawl loves to hunt). I'd trade a northern Ontario hunt for a Rio Grande turkey hunt any day.

Anyways, sorry I got so excited lol.

I'm loving this thread, because it's nice to see guys who want the best and aren't willing to compromise. I truly believe you would have no issues using the carbon fibre. If you've been launching clap bombs with a CF hockey stick, you'll be adding significantly less load/stress etc. to the climbing stick. I know rockwest composites advertises CF as 25% stronger than aluminum and 33% lighter in equivalent applications. And I think it's awesome that you're going to test it out for safety first. It's the prudent thing for sure and really doesn't take much time.

Cheers!
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Northern palooza...
 
I would hunt CA in a heart beat - early - I am not sure this TX boy could stand some of those late nov temps.
 
It is no colder than Michigan, New York, Wisconsin, Minnesota, and warmer than North Dakota.
 
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