Light weight saddle

[kenn1320]

I got my sit drag in the other day and I found it wasn't as comfortable as my EVO. In the sitting position the edges of the strap was cutting under my thighs in the sitting position. Not bad but I wouldn't like it for hours in stand. Also had more hip pinch than my Evo but the closer I got my tree strap to eye level with a 3ft long bridge (18in on each side of carabiner from the tree strap) the more relief it put on my legs so maybe I just need to play with it more. I'm keeping a close eye on the Ken sling. Keep the test coming!

Im down to no tether effectively(ropeman1 as far up as I can), 36" runner sling as a bridge and eye level hook up while leaned back standing(shooting position). Just works better for me. Wish I had played with lower hook ups back when I had a TL saddle, I always went as high as I could reach.

 

[essdub]

The only time I like a higher tether now is if I'm in a BIG tree. That way I have enough rope to swing around.
Other than that, I've grown to like a short tether set at eye level or lower and long bridge. It just seems likei can maneuver better that way

Shaun

 

[swampsnyper]

The only time I like a higher tether now is if I'm in a BIG tree. That way I have enough rope to swing around.
Other than that, I've grown to like a short tether set at eye level or lower and long bridge. It just seems likei can maneuver better that way

Shaun

Yep that's what I was gonna say. A little bit of tether helps to wrap around the tree.

 

[Maustypsu]

This is the intent with John E's T-screw method. This eye-level tether and having some room to move around the tree.

I am thinking of alternate hookups with that in mind. Something as simple as a ratchet strap with carabiner on pre-set trees. If I'm using the adjustable rope bridge as my lineman's belt, I can just climb up, bring it around the tree and strap in.

 

[redsquirrel]

I got my sit drag in the other day and I found it wasn't as comfortable as my EVO. In the sitting position the edges of the strap was cutting under my thighs in the sitting position. Not bad but I wouldn't like it for hours in stand. Also had more hip pinch than my Evo but the closer I got my tree strap to eye level with a 3ft long bridge (18in on each side of carabiner from the tree strap) the more relief it put on my legs so maybe I just need to play with it more. I'm keeping a close eye on the Ken sling. Keep the test coming!

Im down to no tether effectively(ropeman1 as far up as I can), 36" runner sling as a bridge and eye level hook up while leaned back standing(shooting position). Just works better for me. Wish I had played with lower hook ups back when I had a TL saddle, I always went as high as I could reach.

Isn't that going to limit you from moving around the tree?

 

[redsquirrel]

I got my sit drag in the other day and I found it wasn't as comfortable as my EVO. In the sitting position the edges of the strap was cutting under my thighs in the sitting position. Not bad but I wouldn't like it for hours in stand. Also had more hip pinch than my Evo but the closer I got my tree strap to eye level with a 3ft long bridge (18in on each side of carabiner from the tree strap) the more relief it put on my legs so maybe I just need to play with it more. I'm keeping a close eye on the Ken sling. Keep the test coming!

This is a good point SS that a lot of people hopping on the SND revolution should take note of. With the minimalist saddles, the longer you sit in them, the less comfortable they are going to be, just due to their design. I think they have a time and place but for new users I would make sure I put some serious hunting time in them before I considered selling off other saddles and going to a sit and drag solely.

 

[kenn1320]

Isn't that going to limit you from moving around the tree?

It would if I planned on running around the tree. The point of the platform vrs the steps around the tree is the ability to lean around and shoot 360 without having to walk 360. Its not going to work on super large trees, but will work on most of them. The trick for say a right handed shooter is turning to your right and reaching over the bridge with your left arm for shots to the right. Doing that eliminates the walking around the tree. Could you shoot behind your normal tree stand if you could lean out? Same with a small platform, just need something to hold your feet while you lean out.

 

[g2outdoors]

This is a good point SS that a lot of people hopping on the SND revolution should take note of. With the minimalist saddles, the longer you sit in them, the less comfortable they are going to be, just due to their design. I think they have a time and place but for new users I would make sure I put some serious hunting time in them before I considered selling off other saddles and going to a sit and drag solely.

Red, you are spot on. It took me a couple years to get really comfortable in my Trophyline Tree Saddle. Part of that is learning the system. The other part is simple getting accustomed to hanging in a tree and mastering the different techniques of alleviating pressure points and hot spots.

I completely agree that the SitDrag is not an entry level saddle. It could be if the hunter is willing to spend significant amounts of time in the off season practicing. However, if some dude wanted to buy a saddle, practice once or twice in the back yard, then go hunting, I would probably recommend a TL Saddle or a New Tribe Evo.

Once a hunter gets comfortable with all aspects of the saddle (safety, climbing, shooting, moving), I think the natural progression is to simplify as much as possible. That's where products like the SitDrag and Kenn's SuperSling will really shine.

 

[redsquirrel]

Isn't that going to limit you from moving around the tree?

It would if I planned on running around the tree. The point of the platform vrs the steps around the tree is the ability to lean around and shoot 360 without having to walk 360. Its not going to work on super large trees, but will work on most of them. The trick for say a right handed shooter is turning to your right and reaching over the bridge with your left arm for shots to the right. Doing that eliminates the walking around the tree. Could you shoot behind your normal tree stand if you could lean out? Same with a small platform, just need something to hold your feet while you lean out.

Gotcha. We just use a saddle completely differently

 

[redsquirrel]

This is a good point SS that a lot of people hopping on the SND revolution should take note of. With the minimalist saddles, the longer you sit in them, the less comfortable they are going to be, just due to their design. I think they have a time and place but for new users I would make sure I put some serious hunting time in them before I considered selling off other saddles and going to a sit and drag solely.

Red, you are spot on. It took me a couple years to get really comfortable in my Trophyline Tree Saddle. Part of that is learning the system. The other part is simple getting accustomed to hanging in a tree and the mastering the different techniques of alleviating pressure points and hot spots.

I completely agree that the SitDrag is not an entry level saddle. It could be if the hunter is willing to spend significant amounts of time in the off season practicing. However, if some dude wanted to buy a saddle, practice once or twice in the back yard, then go hunting, I would probably recommend a TL Saddle or a New Tribe Evo.

Once a hunter gets comfortable with all aspects of the saddle (safety, climbing, shooting, moving), I think the natural progression is to simplify as much as possible. That's where products like the SitDrag and Kenn's SuperSling will really shine.

Agreed. I just don't want to see people selling off their other saddles and finding out that while the sit and drag works for them while hanging for practice in the yard, when they try to hang for a full afternoon hunt(I won't even say all day!) they can't stay comfortable! My point is for everyone to just make sure that it works after some solid real world testing first.

 

[kenn1320]

Isn't that going to limit you from moving around the tree?

It would if I planned on running around the tree. The point of the platform vrs the steps around the tree is the ability to lean around and shoot 360 without having to walk 360. Its not going to work on super large trees, but will work on most of them. The trick for say a right handed shooter is turning to your right and reaching over the bridge with your left arm for shots to the right. Doing that eliminates the walking around the tree. Could you shoot behind your normal tree stand if you could lean out? Same with a small platform, just need something to hold your feet while you lean out.

Gotcha. We just use a saddle completely differently

Daves method fixed everything I hated about a saddle. I saw no advantage walking around a tree over simply rotating in a normal tree stand for everyday shots. On a normal stand your limited to say 270 deg of shooting with very little movement. In a saddle your limited more than 270 unless your willing to move more. Daves technique allows you to shoot behind the tree with a little movement, and the drop shot allows you to cover the rest. All the platform is doing is allowing room for both feet in close proximity at the same time, cant do that on a single tree step.

 

[kenn1320]

Agreed. I just don't want to see people selling off their other saddles and finding out that while the sit and drag works for them while hanging for practice in the yard, when they try to hang for a full afternoon hunt(I won't even say all day!) they can't stay comfortable! My point is for everyone to just make sure that it works after some solid real world testing first.

Never been comfortable in any saddle for a long period of time. I think most saddle users are aware of this. Heck even my sit n climb LW gets uncomfortable after awhile. Nothing short of your couch is going to be all day comfortable. :lol:

 

[redsquirrel]

Daves method fixed everything I hated about a saddle. I saw no advantage walking around a tree over simply rotating in a normal tree stand for everyday shots. On a normal stand your limited to say 270 deg of shooting with very little movement. In a saddle your limited more than 270 unless your willing to move more. Daves technique allows you to shoot behind the tree with a little movement, and the drop shot allows you to cover the rest. All the platform is doing is allowing room for both feet in close proximity at the same time, cant do that on a single tree step.

Yea, like I said, everyone likes something different. For me, I can't imagine hunting off of a platform.

Never been comfortable in any saddle for a long period of time. I think most saddle users are aware of this. Heck even my sit n climb LW gets uncomfortable after awhile. Nothing short of your couch is going to be all day comfortable. :lol:

Comfort may be a relative term, but I can definitely be comfortable in my saddle. I usually do 7-10 all day sits and couldn't do it if I wasn't comfortable.

Just different strokes for different folks. Everyone has to find what works for them and go with it

 

[BassBoysLLP]

Re: RE: Re: Light weight saddle

Agreed. I just don't want to see people selling off their other saddles and finding out that while the sit and drag works for them while hanging for practice in the yard, when they try to hang for a full afternoon hunt(I won't even say all day!) they can't stay comfortable! My point is for everyone to just make sure that it works after some solid real world testing first.

Never been comfortable in any saddle for a long period of time. I think most saddle users are aware of this. Heck even my sit n climb LW gets uncomfortable after awhile. Nothing short of your couch is going to be all day comfortable. :lol:

The guidos web is like a couch. Definitely my most comfortable option.

For me the minimalist swing type saddles are more comfortable and functional than the evo and the original tree saddles. I think the Kenn Super Sling is going to be game changer. Looking forward to it.

 

[g2outdoors]

I find the SitDrag to be very comfortable and I've sat in my TL Tree Saddle for 6+ hours more than once. I could sit all day in it with the right setup. We'll see this turkey season how comfortable the SitDrag is for any length of time.

 

[Maustypsu]

I find the SitDrag to be very comfortable and I've sat in my TL Tree Saddle for 6+ hours more than once. I could sit all day in it with the right setup. We'll see this turkey season how comfortable the SitDrag is for any length of time.

What are you doing in your sit drag for turkey season?

 

[g2outdoors]

Trying to kill a gobbler out of it. I hunt a bow only area that requires hunters to be a minimum of 10 feet off the ground. It's loaded with turkeys and I've never killed one with a bow.

Super challenging but fun.

 

[kenn1320]

min 10ft off the ground? Sorry but that is the stupidest rule I have heard yet(without knowing the reasoning behind it).

 

[essdub]

I agree. I mean I've hunted them from trees, but have much better chances when I can go to them, and sit by a tree or bush

Shaun

 

[g2outdoors]

I mean I've hunted them from trees, but have much better chances when I can go to them, and sit by a tree or bush

Shaun

I agree. Unfortunately this place is very strict about rules...military installation. I hunt them with the more traditional run-n-gun methods too, but this particular area they must be hunted from a treestand. Since these birds don't get hunted much, they talk their heads off. Makes it a lot of fun to be out there. Since I'm so mobile I have a much better chance of bagging one. Most guys don't want to deal with the hassle of treestands during turkey season.

min 10ft off the ground? Sorry but that is the stupidest rule I have heard yet(without knowing the reasoning behind it).

Since this is a residential area I think it makes them feel safer believing that the downward trajectory of the arrow wouldn't carry it as far? I agree that it's a nonsensical rule, but hey...who am I - I just work here. And most of the good hunting spots are far enough away from people that it wouldn't matter anyway.