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XOP/Ameristep combo

Jefferson10940 said:
No longer made but they pop up in classifieds here and eBay from time to time. Make sure you get the non recalled ones. $15-20 a step is what they go for.


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Are they metal or plastic?


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bowhunter15 said:
And here's an alternative way to attach that uses a carabiner and amsteel continuous loop instead of the ear. The amsteel is not larks headed. So if I'm understanding correctly you should still have roughly the full strength of the continuous loop. The carabiner is 12kN. This was also very easy in actual use.
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can you explain the continuous loop?
 
bowhunter15 said:
I think the way I've shown it is possibly the best way. I just leave the loop in the carabiner. Then wrap the loop through the platform and hook the loose end back into the carabiner. This does 3 things: 1) eliminates need for a larkshead - which lowers break strength. In fact, you might even gain strength because the rope is doubled over, similar to a soft shackle 2) makes is so that you can't lose the loop while walking in, and 3) shortens the distance between the platform and the buckle, which sets the minimum distance you can place a step on that side. If you were to larkshead, or even splice the loop directly onto the platform, you wouldn't be able to place a step very close to the platform. On a small-medium sized tree, that might mean not having a step exactly where you'd want it.

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I think if I'm following correctly, I though you were describing a Larkshead but what your saying is you go though the platform and put both ends of the loop into the carabiner. Am I correct?
 
PJC said:
I think if I'm following correctly, I though you were describing a Larkshead but what your saying is you go though the platform and put both ends of the loop into the carabiner. Am I correct?
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Yes that is what he did.
 
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PJC said:
Why not build the continuous loop right on the platform, so it's always on there?
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If you put it right on the platform it's pretty long because you can only make the continuous loop around 8 inches or so before you start to compromise strength with shorter bury lengths. But yea, if you could have a really short loop, putting it on the platform would work.

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Instead of splicing amsteel why not just tie a loop with climbing webbing? You would have more control over the size of the loop and being a static use you wouldn't lose that much strength from the knot.

http://www.cmcrescue.com/one-inch-webbing-anchors-minimum-breaking-strength/

Is it weight savings? Can't be that much difference or am I missing something?

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donnieballgame said:
Instead of splicing amsteel why not just tie a loop with climbing webbing? You would have more control over the size of the loop and being a static use you wouldn't lose that much strength from the knot.

http://www.cmcrescue.com/one-inch-webbing-anchors-minimum-breaking-strength/

Is it weight savings? Can't be that much difference or am I missing something?

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That's a good idea. To be honest, the first thing that popped into my head after thinking of the carabiner (which I took off my hammock) was the amsteel continuous loop, which was small, light and strong. Webbing hadn't crossed my mind, but when tied like some of the links you showed, it should be a better option.

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bowhunter15 said:
That's a good idea. To be honest, the first thing that popped into my head after thinking of the carabiner (which I took off my hammock) was the amsteel continuous loop, which was small, light and strong. Webbing hadn't crossed my mind, but when tied like some of the links you showed, it should be a better option.

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So which one would you guys consider the best for this application. I have some green tubular webbing that I have used for aiders...???? Will be quicker than re-feeding the strap through the buckle every time.
 
Jefferson10940 said:
So which one would you guys consider the best for this application. I have some green tubular webbing that I have used for aiders...???? Will be quicker than re-feeding the strap through the buckle every time.
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Based on the chart, I'd say either the double loop or the redundant loop 2 pull one. And you just need to make sure the carabiner goes through both loops. It should be much faster and easier than feeding the buckle. I'll have to try various options and see which is more convenient to use and easy to stay open for the carabiner.

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bowhunter15 said:
Based on the chart, I'd say either the double loop or the redundant loop 2 pull one. And you just need to make sure the carabiner goes through both loops. It should be much faster and easier than feeding the buckle. I'll have to try various options and see which is more convenient to use and easy to stay open for the carabiner.

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I'll be interested to see what you figure out, dont have a platform like that......yet!

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There's a lot going on with the redundant wrap 2 pull 1. I was able to tie a double loop easily enough. Still have to try it on a tree.

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What about a loop tied using some 9mm climbing rope using a double fishermans knot?
 
I spent a lot of time in this setup the past few days and really like it. I don't even need knee pads because I can sit down in the saddle and recline my feet onto the ameristeps with my knees on the sides of the tree.

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