Tethrd and John Eberhart

[Bigterp]

I dunno I feel like he's always run a bit hot and cold in terms of presentation arrogance. I haven't listened to that interview, but in the past I feel like it's depended on context and mood.

I have been put off by some stuff in the past. But you know it really comes down to what you do & how you can find ways to apply the information/content presented. I’m not a scent lok guy & kinda skim & fast forward that stuff but there’s a whole lot more that I took from his in the details style approach………

 

[Fl Canopy Stalker]

I dunno I feel like he's always run a bit hot and cold in terms of presentation arrogance. I haven't listened to that interview, but in the past I feel like it's depended on context and mood.

Man being where I am from and where I hunt, if I had 50 book bucks on my wall, I’d be extremely confident and brash as well. Alas, All of Florida hasn’t produced what would amount to 50 book bucks since record keeping became a thing lol so I have given up on trophy chasing. Instead I am trying to catch that world record python someone let loose in their back yard six years ago… gotta keep my goals realistic

 

[mattsteg]

I have been put off by some stuff in the past. But you know it really comes down to what you do & how you can find ways to apply the information/content presented. I’m not a scent lok guy & kinda skim & fast forward that stuff but there’s a whole lot more that I took from his in the details style approach………

Oh for sure he has a ton of valuable info that's worth taking in. It's more his dismissiveness of what clearly works for others, along with little things like (at various times over the years) endorsing saddles as what he wears while just continuing to use his old Anderson.

 

[Fl Canopy Stalker]

Some of his presentations do sound like you all have described. But…. He’s got the chops to back it. He definitely is a wealth of info and his method and opinions in saddles is what led me to be interested in saddle hunting a few weeks ago. It also led me to the idea of two panel saddles, which ultimately led me to a dryad saddle.

How did a 2 panel saddle lead you to a hammock? Has Eberhart also made that switch?

 

[bigmike23]

I'll give him credit, he's given me the single best tip of my buck hunting hobby. It's not often 1 tip applies to all of us and the different habitats we hunt. But as soon as I applied his tip of hunting "security cover", my success skyrocketed. I mean night and day. It doesn't matter to me what terrain features there are that funnels deer. If there's no security cover I'm not hunting it period.

 

[Petrichor]

How did a 2 panel saddle lead you to a hammock? Has Eberhart also made that switch?

I don’t think he has though I have no idea. Watching him shove the panels together and sit on minimal material, sent me down the trail of two panel over a one panel. Because you could collapse it or expand it. So I started to want a saddle that could do that. Well you can do the same with a hammock because you can easily put the material where you want it. Only it offers a more support for your core on weird angles and still allows you movement at the hip, which he harped on. Points that I took from him in one of his videos had me looking for those qualities in a saddle. That’s how.

 

[Fl Canopy Stalker]

I don’t think he has though I have no idea. Watching him shove the panels together and sit on minimal material, sent me down the trail of two panel over a one panel. Because you could collapse it or expand it. So I started to want a saddle that could do that. Well you can do the same with a hammock because you can easily put the material where you want it. Only it offers a more support for your core on weird angles and still allows you movement at the hip, which he harped on. Points that I took from him in one of his videos had me looking for those qualities in a saddle. That’s how.

You should pitch the idea of the Drey to him, highlighting those features… you could be the man to convert him. I could see the you tube rave videos flowing in!!! I know I sound sarcastic but I am actually being serious. Sometimes it can be something as simple as highlighting someone’s likes and presenting them with something that meets those likes and needs. I’m sure he’d also love that it doesn’t have to use the leg straps either….

 

[Noonespecial]

I don’t think he’s really changed at all, he’s actually quite repetitive. I’ve read and watched his books and DVD’s 10 years ago, listened and watched pretty much everything he’s put out there. What has changed is people are actually doing what he has been giving out for free over the years and realizing it actually works. Many bashed him at first but he stood his ground on his beliefs and findings then people asked him back or his opinion again and again. I don’t think any of it should be considered arrogant if he’s telling and showing you what he does to help hunters. If you don’t like him saying he’s got 50 book bucks on public land then beat him.

 

[MattMan81]

You should pitch the idea of the Drey to him, highlighting those features… you could be the man to convert him. I could see the you tube rave videos flowing in!!! I know I sound sarcastic but I am actually being serious. Sometimes it can be something as simple as highlighting someone’s likes and presenting them with something that meets those likes and needs. I’m sure he’d also love that it doesn’t have to use the leg straps either….

He will not hunt from a Drey. To much scent. Unless they can make one carbon lined.

 

[Plebe]

"Hi, I'm the guy with no book bucks, wanna listen to me talk about my trophy hunting expertise awhile. Oh, by the way, my methods, they haven't produced anything record setting, so I'll focus on paying tribute to the proven methods of all these celebrity hunters even though I don't really spend any time picking their ears since they are out of state and not my friends so it's mostly conjecture that you could derive from their podcasts, books, and videos.....?"

Remember, not everyone knows who John Eberhart is when they discover his content. Folks can be pretty dismissive until bonafides are dished. Even around here, a bit of celebrity seems to go a long way. Maybe we could all be a little more open eared.

I won't say JE is anything like a hunting hero to me, but...I find him pretty authentic.

Sure he's proud, but it seems to me, much of this "bravado" stems from ardent faith in his approach, one that causes him some hunting success, and one that he seems vehement to share for more than just his benefit or ego from what I can surmise.

I can't pretend to know the motivations of JE. Stories like besting his friend by killing the doe that has been spotting his friend in a ladderstand by hiding behind the tree may seem brash...or are a great example of his passion about a tactic of saddlehunting. You pick.

Ultimately, I don't think he should give much thought to what is said about him here, but I get a sense he's the kind of guy who would. I think he wants folks to be successful, he'd probably relish being liked and respected as well. Maybe he even enjoys some recognition, sure, but his lamp isn't under a bushel solely to spotlight himself, it's casting some light for others too.

At least that's my take.

I find his relationship with Tethrd has been an odd chapter. But that's another take.

 

[Petrichor]

@Plebe yep. Certainly don’t listen to me about hunting. I always take a trophy sized bowl of tag soup every year.

 

[Fl Canopy Stalker]

"Hi, I'm the guy with no book bucks, wanna listen to me talk about my trophy hunting expertise awhile. Oh, by the way, my methods, they haven't produced anything record setting, so I'll focus on paying tribute to the proven methods of all these celebrity hunters even though I don't really spend any time picking their ears since they are out of state and not my friends so it's mostly conjecture that you could derive from their podcasts, books, and videos.....?"

Remember, not everyone knows who John Eberhart is when they discover his content. Folks can be pretty dismissive until bonafides are dished. Even around here, a bit of celebrity seems to go a long way. Maybe we could all be a little more open eared.

I won't say JE is anything like a hunting hero to me, but...I find him pretty authentic.

Sure he's proud, but it seems to me, much of this "bravado" stems from ardent faith in his approach, one that causes him some hunting success, and one that he seems vehement to share for more than just his benefit or ego from what I can surmise.

I can't pretend to know the motivations of JE. Stories like besting his friend by killing the doe that has been spotting his friend in a ladderstand by hiding behind the tree may seem brash...or are a great example of his passion about a tactic of saddlehunting. You pick.

Ultimately, I don't think he should give much thought to what is said about him here, but I get a sense he's the kind of guy who would. I think he wants folks to be successful, he'd probably relish being liked and respected as well. Maybe he even enjoys some recognition, sure, but his lamp isn't under a bushel solely to spotlight himself, it's casting some light for others too.

At least that's my take.

I find his relationship with Tethrd has been an odd chapter. But that's another take.

I actually enjoyed listening to that podcast where he and Dan were at odds over playing the wind and scent control. Two bonafide white tail legends with two completely different takes on scent. I don’t disagree with either ones view and I am also not as extreme in my approach to scent control as either one. I’ve tried scent lok. It seemed to work decently but I don’t go to the extreme that Eberhart does (my wife would kill me for having that many totes in the house or truck) I also like to use the wind when I can but some places don’t have trees that are well suited for each wind direction or entry. I still hunt those places on non favorable winds. Maybe I am not nearly as successful as either of them for a non extremist approach? Maybe I’m just not as good in general but I can’t understand not liking a man just because of his success. That’s why I personally said if I had all those record bucks on my wall, I’d be brash and confident too! And like you, I find it odd however I’ll keep my thoughts on his newer saddle association to myself.

 

[dalton916]

Specifically, Fairchild and Dalton’s comments…I just think anything that necessitates an ankle bracelet isn’t super funny.

My wife’s cousin was killed by a drunk driver on the way to her high school graduation party. Hits home is all…


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You must be a joy to be around.

I’ll stand by my comment. What’s happened had happened and in it is cool to have someone own their mistakes and move on, if you see it differently then so be it. And yes, if he was my buddy I would most assuredly offer him a ride every time in needed gas. And any other time he needed it for that matter.

No one is making light of anything, simply acknowledging that it happened and keeping it out there so it’s fresh on the mind so when the opportunity arises to possibly do it again that it right decision will be made.

Then again maybe it’s the gallows humor that comes from doing things in the military where any minute may be your last, who knows, either way I’m going to do me and I’m sorry for you if you’re offended by that.

 

[TexaninSconny]

You must be a joy to be around.

I’ll stand by my comment. What’s happened had happened and in it is cool to have someone own their mistakes and move on, if you see it differently then so be it. And yes, if he was my buddy I would most assuredly offer him a ride every time in needed gas. And any other time he needed it for that matter.

No one is making light of anything, simply acknowledging that it happened and keeping it out there so it’s fresh on the mind so when the opportunity arises to possibly do it again that it right decision will be made.

Then again maybe it’s the gallows humor that comes from doing things in the military where any minute may be your last, who knows, either way I’m going to do me and I’m sorry for you if you’re offended by that.

I’ll PM you man.


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[Islandshooter]

I actually enjoyed listening to that podcast where he and Dan were at odds over playing the wind and scent control. Two bonafide white tail legends with two completely different takes on scent. I don’t disagree with either ones view and I am also not as extreme in my approach to scent control as either one. I’ve tried scent lok. It seemed to work decently but I don’t go to the extreme that Eberhart does (my wife would kill me for having that many totes in the house or truck) I also like to use the wind when I can but some places don’t have trees that are well suited for each wind direction or entry. I still hunt those places on non favorable winds. Maybe I am not nearly as successful as either of them for a non extremist approach? Maybe I’m just not as good in general but I can’t understand not liking a man just because of his success. That’s why I personally said if I had all those record bucks on my wall, I’d be brash and confident too! And like you, I find it odd however I’ll keep my thoughts on his newer saddle association to myself.

Wonder how many hawgs he’s killed from the ground?

 

[Mopar1169]

I stopped up to Jay's sporting goods when they were up there in Michigan. I didn't talk to John he was awful busy talking to a bunch of people. I talked to Ernie for a while swapped hunting stories and what not. I enjoyed talking to him. Showed me a vid from MN was a stellar buck. Thought he was super down to earth. I was gonna bs some more but boy was getting anxious so I went and grabbed a box of shells and went home. Was worth the trip.

 

[Fl Canopy Stalker]

Wonder how many hawgs he’s killed from the ground?
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Hmm now I wonder as well!

 

[Fl Canopy Stalker]

You must be a joy to be around.

I’ll stand by my comment. What’s happened had happened and in it is cool to have someone own their mistakes and move on, if you see it differently then so be it. And yes, if he was my buddy I would most assuredly offer him a ride every time in needed gas. And any other time he needed it for that matter.

No one is making light of anything, simply acknowledging that it happened and keeping it out there so it’s fresh on the mind so when the opportunity arises to possibly do it again that it right decision will be made.

Then again maybe it’s the gallows humor that comes from doing things in the military where any minute may be your last, who knows, either way I’m going to do me and I’m sorry for you if you’re offended by that.

I was definitely making light, at the thought of phatkaw’s ventilated hiking shoes below the bracelet in many photos, sitting perched in a tree, for all to witness, in all their glory

 

[Fl Canopy Stalker]

He will not hunt from a Drey. To much scent. Unless they can make one carbon lined.

Activated charcoal hammock saddle… I think you might be on to something lol it will be patent pending in 3…2..1.

 

[Robert loper]

If you get past some of johns confidence he really is helpful.
A little his way or wrong way but ya know the guy kills deer on public or permission private small pieces.
Not lottery nature conservancy or best buddys couple hundred acres.
legit high pressured bucks.
iused to talk to him quite a bit and he always helped.
i was talking quite a bit with Joe for awhile. He is a real good guy.
i do now always feel bad for John
A parent dhould never have to bury thier child ever. Sadly it still reality.