Survey question about front end weight for arrows

[raisins]

Looking for total front weight broken down by head and insert weight. If you shoot a glue-on head note that as well. Brand is of no concern.

it seems the nature of your question was taken as 'tell me about your high foc setup'....based upon the nature of the responses....were you wanting that or a general survey? because probably half of the archers on here are using standard inserts and middle of the road broadhead weights, but you've only gotten 2 replies to that effect

 

[BTaylor]

it seems the nature of your question was taken as 'tell me about your high foc setup'....based upon the nature of the responses....were you wanting that or a general survey? because probably half of the archers on here are using standard inserts and middle of the road broadhead weights, but you've only gotten 2 replies to that effect

I was looking for a good cross sampling not just the high FOC setups. My wood arrow set up is a 160 grain head. My compound setup is 75 grain hit insert and 100 grain head.

 

[JoyRyd]

100 gr insert, 300 gr broadhead...........29% FOC
My newest setup

 

[Arrowsquirrel]

135 grain insert
125 grain head

 

[Bowonly]

141 total

100 head
25 collar
16 insert

 

[cincyprostheticguy]

100gr insert 200gr vpa single bevel
600gr taw 27.5 draw @65lbs

 

[SEPA@73]

40gr insert 125gr tooth of an arrow XL
485gr taw 26.5 draw @60lbs.

It's about all I can squeeze outta these short arms @245fps

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[slonstdy]

If you're trying to decide which way you should go with foc and arrow weight, more/heavier vs less/lighter, then all you need to do is go back the last couple of years and read the threads of guys asking the forum's opinion on whether or not the deer they just shot is alive or dead because they had a marginal hit/poor penetration/bad shot placement/whatever... and take note of their arrow combination. It's always worked for them too, until it didn't...Then read threads posted by guys that were blown away by the results of their shots and how using their combination seemed to have bailed them out of a bad situation due to the same bad shot/poor arrow placement issue. The exception is these guys never seem to have a penetration problem...

So to answer your question ...
275gr and 300gr up front
150gr and 175gr ethics ss inserts
125gr single bevels
585gr and 640 gr taw's

 

[woodsdog2]

A light fast arrow with a mechanical or even an aluminum ferruled coc wouldn't have done this in my experience.

 

[woodsdog2]

That picture above is the "ball" joint of the front shoulder area..... pretty thick bone. FYI. If you look closely at the tip of my broadhead it is bent slightly due to the amount of hide, bone, muscle and other tissue the arrow penetrated. The deer was but 5 yards away and because I was using a heavier arrow setup with a solid steel broadhead, it was able to still do its job and cut the lungs, heart and frontal piping and although the arrow didn't completely pass through, it did open up the far side too and bled out of both sides of the buck. But I didn't need to blood trail because it fell over within 40 yards of my shot and I watched him die quickly and humanely in seconds.

 

[NMSbowhunter]

I'm not trying to sell anyone on high FOC and heavy arrows. If you shoot lighter arrows and mechanical heads and are happy that is fine. Personally, I haven't arrowed a deer past 20 yards in the past three years so trajectory is a moot point to me. I hunt in thick stuff. I like that added margin of safety they afford me when things go wrong.

Here is a bone test I did for my Longbow. I took a whitetail deer femur from a buck I killed the day before and hung it by a string in front of my haybale backstop and shot it from a range of 12 yards. The bone was free swinging and not held down in any way. I hit the thickest part of the femur. This is not scientific but shows what a single bevel can do to a very heavy bone from a low velocity, inefficient setup.

Northern Mist 56# longbow

Easton 6.5 MM carbon shaft 500 spine. 28 ½ inches to nock valley.
100 grain Ethics Archery Stainless steel insert epoxied in with 72 hour epoxy 3600 psi
Grizzly 190 single bevel, left bevel, ground, honed and stropped.
125 grain steel broadhead adapter.
Three A&A feather fletch ½ x 2 ½ inch.
Standard Nock
Weight: 640 grains
FOC: 32.4%

Arrow velocity= about 160 fps

 

[Fl Canopy Stalker]

I have a natural advantage (or disadvantage depending on how you see it) of a 32” draw. So my arrows are all long and with my bow it’s hard to get good arrow flight on heavy set ups so I ended up with 200 spine arrows and I load them with 200 grain screw in broad heads and 100 grain inserts. But my actual FOC is only 17%

 

[NMSbowhunter]

I have a natural advantage (or disadvantage depending on how you see it) of a 32” draw. So my arrows are all long and with my bow it’s hard to get good arrow flight on heavy set ups so I ended up with 200 spine arrows and I load them with 200 grain screw in broad heads and 100 grain inserts. But my actual FOC is only 17%

Have you tried an aluminum footer just behind the broadhead on the shaft? Aside from adding some strength to the area behind the insert these relatively light weight footers will stiffen up the arrow shaft quite a bit, from my experience. I have used 2 inch long aluminum arrow shafting to make footers for 400 spine shafts and it stiffened them up to the point I could get good flight with some relatively heavy setups out of my compound.

High FOC really shines for folks who are limited by draw length and draw weight.

 

[wyetterp]

832 grains 26% foc. Sirius apollo 200spine , 28" carbon to carbon with ethics ss 220gr insert
& sleeve with 250 grain cuttthroat. 4- 2inch sheild cut trueflight feathers & feradyne nockturnals.

I shoot a lot of hogs so I go pretty heavy. The moabs make a huge difference.

 

[Lowg08]

I think I have sissy arrows. Easton axis 400 spine. True flight feathers. 16 grain insert 100 grain kudu point. 30.5 in draw 55lb draw weight. I think 415 total weight. Oh well.

 

[Fireprojectile]

TAW 450 gr
Victory RIP XV 300
Firenock Aeroconcept light 6"
Victory Shok Taper Lock 50 gr
125 gr head

Firenock Aerovane II
Firenock lighted nock

70 lbs DW
29" DL

 

[BlindBuck]

Some of you must shoot rhinos or have Trex arms (joking). I prefer a flatter shooting arrow that still blows through a whitetail.

TAW 366.8
DL 30.5"
DW 65.4

9 grain insert
100 grain head


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[Allegheny Tom]

A light fast arrow with a mechanical or even an aluminum ferruled coc wouldn't have done this in my experience. View attachment 62103

That broadhead could have been improved by grinding that needle point into a chisel or radius tip.
Needle points are prone to curl like that. It's not conducive for maximizing penetration. Tanto tip is the best for strength while minimizing bone skip but I'm not sure that tanto is really do-able on a double bevel.

 

[woodsdog2]

Some of you must shoot rhinos or have Trex arms (joking). I prefer a flatter shooting arrow that still blows through a whitetail.

TAW 366.8
DL 30.5"
DW 65.4

9 grain insert
100 grain head


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At your draw length, and draw weight, by just adding a 100gr. insert into your setup you would still have a very flat trajectory and you could arguably blow through the femer or the thick lower shoulder bone and "ball joint" of any NA big game animal. Add just another 50 grains to that, and there would be very little difficulty with penetration no matter what kind of shot scenario developed.

 

[NMSbowhunter]

The Affect of Point Weight & FOC on Arrow Trajectory http://www.alaskabowhunting.com - YouTube

I found this interesting in regard to trajectory.