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Survey question about front end weight for arrows

BlindBuck said:
Out of curiosity, I see people shooting 300 grains plus upfront. What spine arrow are you shooting?


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200 spine Gold tip Kinetics. VAP makes a 200. I might try those next year.
 
1simplemann said:
265 fps! That's fast for a 650 gr arrow. What draw weight? What bow? You'll have no trouble going through a big boar.
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I know I shoot them year round here in Florida

my bow is the Hoyt RX5 with 70 lbs draw weight (pulls 72 lbs according to the hand scale… and my draw length is 32”. They zip. When I used to use my old Bear Species LTD they were only flying 229 FPS…
 
Hall17 said:
Man I thought my PSE at 315 FPS was impressive with a 425 TAW. But I am at 29”

That is a long draw wow. Those are impressive speeds
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That RX5 is a ridiculously fast bow too though. It’s the fastest bow I have ever shot. I’ve had an older Matthew’s, then I got the Bear Species LTD and it was at 305 for light arrows so I thought it was awesome. When I went to heavy arrow builds about 3 years ago it slowed it considerably. That Hoyt though just zings them. The bow shop guy says that bow specs are set around 28 to 30” and every inch over adds like 5% to those numbers. I don’t know how true that is but my due to my draw length I have a limited number of bow options to choose from…
 
Fl Canopy Stalker said:
I know I shoot them year round here in Florida

my bow is the Hoyt RX5 with 70 lbs draw weight (pulls 72 lbs according to the hand scale… and my draw length is 32”. They zip. When I used to use my old Bear Species LTD they were only flying 229 FPS…
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32" draw helps a lot. What the brace height? Have you calculated your Momentum?
 
1simplemann said:
Your setup produces 101.34 KE and Momentum of 0.765. Anything over .700 is excellent. Have you ever shot thru a boar's shoulder?
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I have broken the opposing shoulder after a shield/rib pass through but never got a clean pass completely through on a large boar. The best example I have was a 17 yard shot I made on a boar that ended up weighing nearly 296. The arrow hit him and knocked him down. He got up and sort of limp/ran about 40 yards and dropped dead. I never saw any blood but he was down and dead within 15 minutes of my initial shot. I knocked another one down last season that weighed 229 and that pig fell at impact, kicked itself in circles and never even got up. The shot knicked one lung and caught the heart. It was dead before I could even pack up and climb down. Not this season but last, I shot a doe through both shoulders, she fell and kicked about 60 yards with her back legs pushing her as her body and shoulders sort of plowed along in front of her, and laid down. I finished her at 10 yards from the ground but the only “tracking” I had to do was following the leaves and soil she kicked up trying to run with just her hind legs. It looked like a sled path.
I lost an animal or two each season when I was shooting lighter set ups, (some were just poor shot selection, some were circumstances beyond my control, such as jumping the string) I haven’t lost a single animal that my arrows have hit since going with the heavy build. And the Hoyt has just made it that much better.
 
Fl Canopy Stalker said:
I have broken the opposing shoulder after a shield/rib pass through but never got a clean pass completely through on a large boar. The best example I have was a 17 yard shot I made on a boar that ended up weighing nearly 296. The arrow hit him and knocked him down. He got up and sort of limp/ran about 40 yards and dropped dead. I never saw any blood but he was down and dead within 15 minutes of my initial shot. I knocked another one down last season that weighed 229 and that pig fell at impact, kicked itself in circles and never even got up. The shot knicked one lung and caught the heart. It was dead before I could even pack up and climb down. Not this season but last, I shot a doe through both shoulders, she fell and kicked about 60 yards with her back legs pushing her as her body and shoulders sort of plowed along in front of her, and laid down. I finished her at 10 yards from the ground but the only “tracking” I had to do was following the leaves and soil she kicked up trying to run with just her hind legs. It looked like a sled path.
I lost an animal or two each season when I was shooting lighter set ups, (some were just poor shot selection, some were circumstances beyond my control, such as jumping the string) I haven’t lost a single animal that my arrows have hit since going with the heavy build. And the Hoyt has just made it that much better.
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Impressive. Your story sounds a lot like mine. For years I was aiming too far back because I was afraid of the shoulder. They take a step and it was a gut shot. I went the speed and mechanical route for a while and started losing deer that I felt were decent shots. Couldn't understand why. I did some research and now 10 years later I'm kill'n them. Problem solved. This year's buck was very similar to your doe. For some reason I aimed to far forward. I hit the shoulder broadside. Shattered both shoulders but didn't get a complete pass thru. Broke him down and he tried to plow. he didn't go far because he couldn't run.. Heavy setup is definitely the way to go. I shoot them from all angles now. I don't wait for that perfect shot. I've had some big bucks in the past that have been in bow range that got away because I was waiting for that perfect show that never came. Somehow they gave me the slip. Now if they within 20yd they are getting an arrow.
 
kbetts said:
Hitting where you aim is more "excellent". Tens of thousands have died by sharp wooden sticks.

I get a good chuckle out of these threads.
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Agreed. Some of us want a little more punch. Different strokes for different folks. However, There's nothing to chuckle about when you hit where you were aiming and they still run off w/ half an arrow. This has happened to me several times in the past. That's no longer the case. I'm happy with my results. I'm glad your happy with yours.
 
kbetts said:
Hitting where you aim is more "excellent". Tens of thousands have died by sharp wooden sticks.

I get a good chuckle out of these threads.
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I agree. So do you hit where you aim 100% of the time? Or has winds carried, them jumping the string, other factors ever caused a shot to be a couple inches high, a couple inches forward ect…. I chose a heavier set up to help mitigate the factors that are beyond my control. But if I was a perfect shot from 40 yards away like some guys, I wouldn’t worry about heavy builds either. As you said tons of animals die from being hit by normal set ups but how many die and aren’t recovered?
 
Fl Canopy Stalker said:
I agree. So do you hit where you aim 100% of the time? Or has winds carried, them jumping the string, other factors ever caused a shot to be a couple inches high, a couple inches forward ect…. I chose a heavier set up to help mitigate the factors that are beyond my control. But if I was a perfect shot from 40 yards away like some guys, I wouldn’t worry about heavy builds either. As you said tons of animals die from being hit by normal set ups but how many die and aren’t recovered?
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I know for fact that I don't hit exactly where I aim all the time. I have hit the shoulder several times over the years. It didn't end well for me or the deer. The closer they are the better I am. I have very little need or desire to shoot beyond 30 yds. Under 30yd and most likely they are taking a ride in the back of my truck. Under 20yds and it's almost a sure bet. I lost count years ago on how many bow kills I have but it 100+. I can count on my hands how many were over 30 yds. Most of those were elk. On whitetails, just a few. For me, if 95% of my WT kills are 30 yds and under then I want to minimize potential loses. By maximizing my set up for as much penetration as possible I am taking bone hits out of the equation therefore maximizing my success rate.
 
1simplemann said:
I know for fact that I don't hit exactly where I aim all the time. I have hit the shoulder several times over the years. It didn't end well for me or the deer. The closer they are the better I am. I have very little need or desire to shoot beyond 30 yds. Under 30yd and most likely they are taking a ride in the back of my truck. Under 20yds and it's almost a sure bet. I lost count years ago on how many bow kills I have but it 100+. I can count on my hands how many were over 30 yds. Most of those were elk. On whitetails, just a few. For me, if 95% of my WT kills are 30 yds and under then I want to minimize potential loses. By maximizing my set up for as much penetration as possible I am taking bone hits out of the equation therefore maximizing my success rate.
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I am not sure that the deer moving isnt the biggest hinderance to penetration whether they are dropping, stepping or lunging forward or rolling away from the shot, etc. Whitetails just dont have much in the way of big bone. Stay of the should knuckle and the spine and most moderate weight arrows shot from a 45-50# bow and up are more times than not punch through a stationary whitetail. I just think movement is at least as responsible if not more so for pass through failure and where a higher weight/higher momentum setup can really help.
 
BTaylor said:
I am not sure that the deer moving isnt the biggest hinderance to penetration whether they are dropping, stepping or lunging forward or rolling away from the shot, etc. Whitetails just dont have much in the way of big bone. Stay of the should knuckle and the spine and most moderate weight arrows shot from a 45-50# bow and up are more times than not punch through a stationary whitetail. I just think movement is at least as responsible if not more so for pass through failure and where a higher weight/higher momentum setup can really help.
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Movement definitely factors into it. Hitting paper targets is easy. On an animal, It's what happens after you hit that counts.
 
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