Survey question about front end weight for arrows

[slonstdy]

 

[Shed84]

I'm at the max for my arrow spine or I'd go heavier...i think it's fun....it really isn't that expensive to try it out...u will learn to tune ur bow and become better archer even if u decide against going real heavy.
With my limited kills will heavies and extremely sharp broadheads probably the most beneficial, besides increasing lethality of the arrow, is the fact the animals reaction is much less...I think it's a combination of quieter bow, no blade deploy/slap, the arrow sliding quick and quiet thru like hot knife, the animals act like they got a wasp sting

Learning to tune a bow with good, straight arrow flight is huge for penetration. If the arrow is coming out half sideways and wobbling that energy doesn't push threw like it should. I believe that is a common problem with many complaining on bad penetration. Their is many videos with 40# bows getting pass threws on deer.

 

[phatkaw]

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That thing was probably killed with a Rage from a speedbow.

 

[Fl Canopy Stalker]

John Dudly had an opinion on this that I agree with. Something along the lines that he builds the most accurate arrow with a big cut broadhead that can bail u out on a bad hit. To build an arrow strictly around hitting a shoulder ball joint that may be 3sq inches with a deep penatrating head wouldn't bail u out as much as a faster arrow with less drop and a big cut mechanical head that can prove more deadly for a shot that is back or low or even a leg hit with more chance of cutting a main vein.

I disagree with this assessment. Especially involving heavy broad head single bevels. They leave an almost S or C shaped cut which is less likely to close so even though they have a smaller cutting foot print, the size of the hole as it passes is pretty gnarly also the best way to improve lethality of a shot is to have an entrance and exit wound, heavy single bevel broad heads give you the highest odd of that happening, so I can’t see where the big mechanical shines in either of those scenarios.

 

[Shed84]

I disagree with this assessment. Especially involving heavy broad head single bevels. They leave an almost S or C shaped cut which is less likely to close so even though they have a smaller cutting foot print, the size of the hole as it passes is pretty gnarly also the best way to improve lethality of a shot is to have an entrance and exit wound, heavy single bevel broad heads give you the highest odd of that happening, so I can’t see where the big mechanical shines in either of those scenarios.

I don't disagree with a heavy fixed head having better penetration. For me I have no problem with penetration with large mechanics because of the size game I shoot and my bow set up. If penetration is not an issue for me I will shoot the biggest most accurate mechanical I can.This past season I tried the g5 magameat and never seen a large fixed head in person or a picture on line of a bigger hole. For me all the pros outweigh the cons. I do like a large 3 blade cut instead of a single slice. I keep it simple and the bigger the better if it's accurate and it goes in one side and out the other. Again this is just for the size game I shoot if it was elk or other bigger game I would use a different head and weight.

 

[Plebe]

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yeah, my bad. I know op's intent wasn't, yet another, heavy vs "light" arrow dialogue.

 

[1simplemann]

Yeah, I'm probably not going to do that for you. lol.

It's a good point, the assumptions and flaws in the calculator don't demonstrate factual results. Probably still better than ping pong balls and golf balls and long range shooting analogies to some degree.

I did find some actual recorded data (DIY Sportsman). Of course it is specific to the exact gear tested, and the calibrations of the measuring instruments used, and the environment and atmospherics of the laboratory.

It's interesting to revisit this.

(506.1 taw) .5793 - (406 taw) .51516 = (100.1 taw) .06414
(605.5 taw) .63935 - (506.1 taw) .5793 = (99.4 taw) .06005
(718.1 taw) .69665 - (605.5 taw) .63935 = (112.6 taw) .0573
(850 taw) .75924 - (718.1) .69665 = (131.9 taw) .06259


How much can a deer move in .4 vs .3 seconds?


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Good find on the data. I knew it was out there somewhere. I would argue that in .1 of a second that deer won't move very much at 30yds or under. Especially 20 yds and under. I would also argue that with a heavier set up that since the bow noise is much less that the deer wouldn't react as much. My arrows are between 600-650 gr. Jumping the strings is not a problem. The idea that your arrow speed can outrun the speed of sound doesn't hold water. It's simple math that can't be disproven.

 

[BTaylor]

yeah, my bad. I know op's intent wasn't, yet another, heavy vs "light" arrow dialogue.

You are good. I got the info I was looking for in spite of your desire to derail my research.

I appreciate everyone dropping in their info.

 

[Patrick69]

Nothing beats a sharp broadhead with good foc and a heavy shaft…

300 total up front
200 gr broadhead and 100 gr insert

 

[Petrichor]

Middle of the road. 400 spine 200 up front with standard insert. 515 grains out of a 50lb bow.