My two cents. One sticking has become mainstream. Does not mean it's a good idea. The slack in people's ropes, at times, on every one sticking video i have watched is too much. I have watched a lot of them. Slack in your rope, if you fall, means at the end of the rope your equipment and your body are going to have to absorb a lot of energy. I have seen people with 3,4, or even 5' of slack at times.Wondering for next year if Im to old and to fat for one sticking?
honestly im quite round but im pretty strong.
I would only be saving the weight of two sticks.
ummertime heat during early season. would be the only time i would probably have trouble.
Whats everyones thoughts?
could i?
Or stick with the 3 sticks and platform.
I dont understand this slack problem... When I climb up a tree using sticks and a linesman, if I fall, my face and body are smashing into my sticks, and/or the tree, and I am possible sliding down the tree as well. Just as when one sticking, my linesman isnt always in the correct position as I have to move it up with me with each step. If at any point my linesman isnt taught, and above my waist, when I fall, I get hurt. When climbing with a linesman and sticks, I take my hands completely away from the tree and my sticks and rely on my linesman and my feet, having only two points of contact besides my linesman.. meaning that I am fully relying on the stick beneath my feet, which can kick out, straps break, whatever. if that stick falls, and the linesmans works, I am now stuck pined to the tree with no stick below me and now way to get down.My two cents. One sticking has become mainstream. Does not mean it's a good idea. The slack in people's ropes, at times, on every one sticking video i have watched is too much. I have watched a lot of them. Slack in your rope, if you fall, means at the end of the rope your equipment and your body are going to have to absorb a lot of energy. I have seen people with 3,4, or even 5' of slack at times.
Use fall factor calculator enter your weight when climbing in all your stuff. How far you may fall if you slip at the worst possible time. Static or dynamic rope, for most saddle hunters that will be static.
Rope climb, no slack. My two cents.
I dont understand this slack problem... When I climb up a tree using sticks and a linesman, if I fall, my face and body are smashing into my sticks, the tree, and I am possible sliding a big down the tree as well. when climbing with a linesman and sticks, I take my hands completely away from the tree and rely on my linesman and my feet. When I have a bit of slack on my tether, I have 3 or 4 points of contact.. one or two feet in the aider, and and one or two hands on the sticks. So if I did fall, I am holding onto a stick that is attached to the tree with two hands. The most that would happen is I would fall down bracing myself with my hands on my one stick, and then falling into a sitting position in my tether. Once I am to the bottom step of my one stick, I am standing up and moving the tether up to a safe height. then I take another step up, and move the tether again to a height so I have no slack. At any point I can pull in slack and let out slack on my tether. At no point do I have 4/5 feet of slack, that is crazy.
I have had a sticks kick out on me while I was climbing with a linesman on a smooth tree. It was scary as **** and luckily I was able to catch the top of the stick with my hands.
1- stick is worth practicing some so that your familiar anyway, just in case. What if a stick kicks out or something? Always smart to be prepared and have options. I feel the same about srt. Maybe it's not your go-to but it's a good tool to have.
For example, I no-sticked up last night. Cool. Pull up pack. Good. Pull up bow with release on the string. No good, release got pulled off. No problem, dropped rapell line down. Rapell and srt back up with a prusik and Garda hitch foot loop. Easy as taking my coat off and grabbing my foot loop out of my pack
I have a friend who fell on sticks. Stitches in his jaw and groin. Doc said he just missed cutting his femoral artery that would have been it. Falling on a stick is a bad scenario. The problem with a lineman's rope is that it is not attached to the tree. Rather it is around the tree. The smaller the tree and the smoother the bark the more potential for trouble. But I am not trying to berate or convince you. Your an adult. You access your own risks and take responsibility for the risks you choose to accept. It's your call and no one else's.I dont understand this slack problem... When I climb up a tree using sticks and a linesman, if I fall, my face and body are smashing into my sticks, the tree, and I am possible sliding a big down the tree as well. when climbing with a linesman and sticks, I take my hands completely away from the tree and rely on my linesman and my feet. When I have a bit of slack on my tether, I have 3 or 4 points of contact.. one or two feet in the aider, and and one or two hands on the sticks. So if I did fall, I am holding onto a stick that is attached to the tree with two hands. The most that would happen is I would fall down bracing myself with my hands on my one stick, and then falling into a sitting position in my tether. Once I am to the bottom step of my one stick, I am standing up and moving the tether up to a safe height. then I take another step up, and move the tether again to a height so I have no slack. At any point I can pull in slack and let out slack on my tether. At no point do I have 4/5 feet of slack, that is crazy.
I have had a sticks kick out on me while I was climbing with a linesman on a smooth tree. It was scary as **** and luckily I was able to catch the top of the stick with my hands.
Yes this is my exact point!!! With one sticking you are using a tether, that is attached to a tree.. when using sticks and a linesman, you are not attached to the tree, unless you use a linesman and a tether when using multiple sticks, and this now becomes the same as using a one stickI have a friend who fell on sticks. Stitches in his jaw and groin. Doc said he just missed cutting his femoral artery that would have been it. Falling on a stick is a bad scenario. The problem with a lineman's rope is that it is not attached to the tree. Rather it is around the tree. The smaller the tree and the smoother the bark the more potential for trouble. But I am not trying to berate or convince you. Your an adult. You access your own risks and take responsibility for the risks you choose to accept. It's your call and no one else's.
Why do you need an SRT? I can just rappel down and pick up whatever I need to pick up, and then one stick back up. It seems to me that SRT is the same as one stick if you just move your tether up each movement as you would doing an SRT climb? What am I missing here?I think everyone who one sticks should have SRT gear with them. Makes going down to grab something and getting back up stupid simple.
But where do you climb where you dont have slack at somepoint? if using a linesman you have greater risk.. if using a tether, you can move the tether with each step you take, thus not ever having slack.. Also, I would never fall straigh down, as I am leaning backwards as I climb up, so I would actuall fall back, and catch the slack in my harness and have more damage from slamming into the tree than i would from just falling like straight down..Slack means a sudden stop at the bottom of your fall. That's the issue.
I have watched many one stick videos as well as climbed with one stick. Yes I know what a tether is. And I have never seen anyone one stick and maintain zero slack in their tether rope 100% of the time, for the entire climb. If you can, good on you. But for me, it's too risky. As I can carry less than 10# into the woods counting my pack. Only extra is my weapon and my clothes. I can walk up to my tree hook up and climb up with my ropes tight 100% of the time. I have redundancy. If my main hitches fail my secondary hitch catches me. If my bridge fails my secondary bridge catches me. When in rappel if my rappel biner or hitch fail me my main hitches catch me. Up and down if I have a medical event or a bee stings me, if I let go of everything, I stop. The only metal hardware in my system are biners. I am super happy with the safety and weight total being under 10#. You do you. I will do me. I have accessed my risks. I accept them. I know of no safer easier way to climb. You like one sticking. Great. Then one stick.Yes this is my exact point!!! With one sticking you are using a tether, that is attached to a tree.. when using sticks and a linesman, you are not attached to the tree, unless you use a linesman and a tether when using multiple sticks, and this now becomes the same as using a one stick
I’m not hating on the way you climb. In fact, I think the safest way to climb is the method that you think is the safest, and not what other people say is the safest. Your confidence and experience with your equipment is one of the greatest factors in safety. What I am saying is that any method of climbing a tree is inherently unsafe, and you are right, the more redundancies, the least amount of slack, and the best quality equipment are all going to make you safer. But in my experience, whatever method you use, I do not believe one sticking to be any more dangerous than any other method if you do it safely. I just feel that a linesman and 3/4 sticks is not more safe for me as a one stick and tether... and there is no time where I have more than a a foot or two of slack in my tether, and at that time, I have several points of contact to the tree.I have watched many one stick videos as well as climbed with one stick. Yes I know what a tether is. And I have never seen anyone one stick and maintain zero slack in their tether rope 100% of the time, for the entire climb. If you can, good on you. But for me, it's too risky. As I can carry less than 10# into the woods counting my pack. Only extra is my weapon and my clothes. I can walk up to my tree hook up and climb up with my ropes tight 100% of the time. I have redundancy. If my main hitches fail my secondary hitch catches me. If my bridge fails my secondary bridge catches me. When in rappel if my rappel biner or hitch fail me my main hitches catch me. Up and down if I have a medical event or a bee stings me, if I let go of everything, I stop. The only metal hardware in my system are biners. I am super happy with the safety and weight total being under 10#. You do you. I will do me. I have accessed my risks. I accept them. I know of no safer easier way to climb. You like one sticking. Great. Then one stick.
Here, here. AgreedYou’re taking a risk anytime you go up and down a tree. For me, i got into one stick and single tether because it is just that, a tether that is attached to a tree. I have no issues climbing a tree. I as most on this form hunt public land. We can’t put a anchor in a tree and just come in and move up and down with no issues.
If you think about it even when you use a climber, you are tethered into the tree and your climber in a way is acting as your lineman belt. At the end of the day, if your climber falls down the tree it will be your tether that stops you….
I’m more frustrated at the fact that people think one method is better then another when in reality, it’s a risk we take no matter what method we take. Using 1 stick or 10, using a single rope or combination of tether and lineman, you are taking a risk…
If you really want to talk to professionals, go find your local outdoor store that has rock climbing gear. Pick their brain. These guys legit are anchoring into rocks and climbing way higher then any of us, and they are using the same stuff we are….
Stick to your method of comfort, because when you are not comfortable that is when accidents happen
Why do you need an SRT? I can just rappel down and pick up whatever I need to pick up, and then one stick back up. It seems to me that SRT is the same as one stick if you just move your tether up each movement as you would doing an SRT climb? What am I missing here?
The difference here is that during one sticking you're moving your tether each time you climb up your stick. Then moving your stick and repeating.Why do you need an SRT? I can just rappel down and pick up whatever I need to pick up, and then one stick back up. It seems to me that SRT is the same as one stick if you just move your tether up each movement as you would doing an SRT climb? What am I missing here?
So many people are using mechanical ascenders like ropemans and Kong ducks on their tethers and linemans, you have everything you need to climb back up your rope.
Same! I tried using two ropeman's first, and it's way easier with the hand ascender. Once at height I throw it in one of my pouches so even if I have to rappel down in a hurry, I always have my way back up.This is true, but SRT with my hand ascender is a heck of a lot easier than with my kong duck! I tried it once and decided to always pack the hand ascender too!