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Talk me out of a JX3

@Plebe with a Summit if you stand your knees can push the soft seat back and you can get your butt against the tree if you want, with the m100u there’s more motion required if you want that seat up. That said the coolest preset spot I have is setup with that stand, tucked into some white pines.

In the past yes I’d usually stash the stick stack on top of the JX3, but the Ones are so light I barely feel em out back, and that gets some sharp metal away from the back of my head. Still have a month or so before I have to commit, most October hunts for me prolly going to be Dryad.

I usually have a thin soft pad under me in the JX3, adds warmth and the mesh alone does seem to flatten my rear end on long sits, ha. Sometimes I do open the seat angle up and raise my friction hitch and stand against it, it’s a nice change and I don’t find it particularly inconvenient. A ropeman can be pretty nice on the tether, but I run 8mm so I’m always on the fence w that.

Good points.

The Sit and Climb seat slides back like that too. But the big drawback to climbers as we all know is they require a certain type of tree.

I‘ve never considered that folding up the Millennium seat is extra movement; you’re right it is an extra step compared to not folding it. I kind of stand and fold it at the same time. I’m already moving from seated to standing, so at least it’s happening all at once. With it folded I have more platform to maneuver on and can get back against the tree, so I’ve always just done it.

With the JX3, a person doesn’t need to stand to shoot and for some shots may not have to walk the tree even. That’s nice. I don’t find I can maneuver as quickly though, as I can spin on a largish platform, probably it’s my biggest problem with the JX3 for archery. That and it pushes my limits with keeping consistent form.

I like your point about keeping pointy metal away from your head. I actually liked that the TN sticks in that configuration capture the sharp JX3 fork so it doesn’t need removal or a cover. The way you have your ONE sticks attached looks solid too and seems a better option for those sticks. (LWCG compacts and Shikar sticks pack ok inside the fold). You definitely have a good profile with the ONE sticks like that.
 
That's why it's a method of last resort.

Comfort in the tree is nice. But I am not climbing a tree to be comfortable. I am climbing a tree to improve my odds of killing a mature buck.

I think we can agree that you killing "mature bucks" is not a function of actually climbing the tree, but time spent sitting in it, right?

If we can agree on that, then assuming all other variables remain constant (your ability, the place you're hunting, weapon, etc.), then the more time you spend sitting in a tree should increase your odds of killing mature bucks., no?

This is precisely how I land on the hybrid being such an effective tool. I don't come at it from a "i'm soft and lazy and NEED to be comfortable in the woods to kill a deer". I come at it from a "I spend a load of my time and money hunting. I walk A LOT looking for good spots to kill deer. Usually by the time I find these spots, I'm worn out mentally and physically, and have no desire to climb a tree. Knowing that I'll be comfortable, quiet, and still once I'm up there, gets me over the hump on the decision to climb and hunt."

I'm 100% confident that since 2018 I've spent more time carrying the JX3 than I have spent sitting in it. I'm 75% sure that it's at least double the amount of time. I don't do that because I like John, or like to suffer. I do it because I know that when I need to be in a tree for an extended period of time, whether or not my legs fall asleep, my back seizes up, my hips get stiff, my knees ache like fire, etc. - none of these things will stop me. Zero Chance.

And this is what I try to get people who are considering it to think about: Saddle hunting as a thing is just a tribal signal. It's just like every other cult or religion or movement. Doing something that doesn't really make sense, makes sense because it reinforces your loyalty to the team or the cause.

Of course, there are thousands of people, like you, who are hard. Whether it's their mental and emotional fortitude (which they're lucky to have inherited), or some physical makeup (also blind luck that imparted this on them), that is more conducive to sitting on two webbing straps for 8 hours without moving. My contention is that this subset of people who try saddles, is a tiny fraction of the total number who try saddles. The rest of the people either keep doing it because they think they're soft and don't get it, and end up fidgeting all day, or worse, not spending time in a tree; Or they sell it and go back to climbers and what not because the saddle is a torture trap for them.

I'm trying to tell people that I agree with you wholeheartedly - time spent in the woods is what kills deer. Yes, it's gotta be the right woods, on the right day, with the right conditions and equipment and ability and blah blah blah. But if you can't sit still, quietly, at the right time, in the right place, you'll kill less deer. I just don't think you are the most common type. I think you are the exception. I think most people sit in a saddle and are extremely uncomfortable, and have to spend a ton of time and money to maybe get slightly more comfortable. What I try to get them to see is that they can avoid that process with the JX3. They may decide that "it has too much going on" even though it has the same amount of ropes, straps as a regular saddle with a backband. Fine, you're out 50 bucks, and an afternoon in your backyard to figure that out.

If you are a stander, hunt from a hang on. If you are a "leaner" - you're a stander who's slightly softer and lazier - hunt from a platform and soft saddle. If you're what I think is a significant majority of people - someone who can't spend 8 hours, much less 2 hours, standing or leaning in a tree, or sitting on 2 - 2" webbing straps - quietly, without moving, and with the motivation to do it enough times to be successful, You might try a JX3.
 
I think we can agree that you killing "mature bucks" is not a function of actually climbing the tree, but time spent sitting in it, right?

If we can agree on that, then assuming all other variables remain constant (your ability, the place you're hunting, weapon, etc.), then the more time you spend sitting in a tree should increase your odds of killing mature bucks., no?

This is precisely how I land on the hybrid being such an effective tool. I don't come at it from a "i'm soft and lazy and NEED to be comfortable in the woods to kill a deer". I come at it from a "I spend a load of my time and money hunting. I walk A LOT looking for good spots to kill deer. Usually by the time I find these spots, I'm worn out mentally and physically, and have no desire to climb a tree. Knowing that I'll be comfortable, quiet, and still once I'm up there, gets me over the hump on the decision to climb and hunt."

I'm 100% confident that since 2018 I've spent more time carrying the JX3 than I have spent sitting in it. I'm 75% sure that it's at least double the amount of time. I don't do that because I like John, or like to suffer. I do it because I know that when I need to be in a tree for an extended period of time, whether or not my legs fall asleep, my back seizes up, my hips get stiff, my knees ache like fire, etc. - none of these things will stop me. Zero Chance.

And this is what I try to get people who are considering it to think about: Saddle hunting as a thing is just a tribal signal. It's just like every other cult or religion or movement. Doing something that doesn't really make sense, makes sense because it reinforces your loyalty to the team or the cause.

Of course, there are thousands of people, like you, who are hard. Whether it's their mental and emotional fortitude (which they're lucky to have inherited), or some physical makeup (also blind luck that imparted this on them), that is more conducive to sitting on two webbing straps for 8 hours without moving. My contention is that this subset of people who try saddles, is a tiny fraction of the total number who try saddles. The rest of the people either keep doing it because they think they're soft and don't get it, and end up fidgeting all day, or worse, not spending time in a tree; Or they sell it and go back to climbers and what not because the saddle is a torture trap for them.

I'm trying to tell people that I agree with you wholeheartedly - time spent in the woods is what kills deer. Yes, it's gotta be the right woods, on the right day, with the right conditions and equipment and ability and blah blah blah. But if you can't sit still, quietly, at the right time, in the right place, you'll kill less deer. I just don't think you are the most common type. I think you are the exception. I think most people sit in a saddle and are extremely uncomfortable, and have to spend a ton of time and money to maybe get slightly more comfortable. What I try to get them to see is that they can avoid that process with the JX3. They may decide that "it has too much going on" even though it has the same amount of ropes, straps as a regular saddle with a backband. Fine, you're out 50 bucks, and an afternoon in your backyard to figure that out.

If you are a stander, hunt from a hang on. If you are a "leaner" - you're a stander who's slightly softer and lazier - hunt from a platform and soft saddle. If you're what I think is a significant majority of people - someone who can't spend 8 hours, much less 2 hours, standing or leaning in a tree, or sitting on 2 - 2" webbing straps - quietly, without moving, and with the motivation to do it enough times to be successful, You might try a JX3.
We are OK to disagree.
I don't travel miles looking for a tree to climb during season. I have my spots or areas picked out. I am a funnel hunter. I will change trees in a funnel area based on wind and how I access, but my trees are picked out, shooting lanes cut. The places I hunt you have to cut shooting lanes. March is when I walk miles looking at spots I have hunted in the past. Looking for bid rubs. Talking to the wildlife biologist about any big deer killed in areas I find big Rubs to see if a big one was killed in that area. I have been hunting LBL since 1985. These pins are dropped based on my old paper maps and field notes.
I will check some of these areas in mid October, but starting the last week of Oct through the 3rd week of November my plan is set.
Dan Infault has some good videos on how and why he uses the tree to stay hidden. Being comfortable is great. But if you are picked by a deer, comfort goes out the window.

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I think we can agree that you killing "mature bucks" is not a function of actually climbing the tree, but time spent sitting in it, right?

If we can agree on that, then assuming all other variables remain constant (your ability, the place you're hunting, weapon, etc.), then the more time you spend sitting in a tree should increase your odds of killing mature bucks., no?

This is precisely how I land on the hybrid being such an effective tool. I don't come at it from a "i'm soft and lazy and NEED to be comfortable in the woods to kill a deer". I come at it from a "I spend a load of my time and money hunting. I walk A LOT looking for good spots to kill deer. Usually by the time I find these spots, I'm worn out mentally and physically, and have no desire to climb a tree. Knowing that I'll be comfortable, quiet, and still once I'm up there, gets me over the hump on the decision to climb and hunt."

I'm 100% confident that since 2018 I've spent more time carrying the JX3 than I have spent sitting in it. I'm 75% sure that it's at least double the amount of time. I don't do that because I like John, or like to suffer. I do it because I know that when I need to be in a tree for an extended period of time, whether or not my legs fall asleep, my back seizes up, my hips get stiff, my knees ache like fire, etc. - none of these things will stop me. Zero Chance.

And this is what I try to get people who are considering it to think about: Saddle hunting as a thing is just a tribal signal. It's just like every other cult or religion or movement. Doing something that doesn't really make sense, makes sense because it reinforces your loyalty to the team or the cause.

Of course, there are thousands of people, like you, who are hard. Whether it's their mental and emotional fortitude (which they're lucky to have inherited), or some physical makeup (also blind luck that imparted this on them), that is more conducive to sitting on two webbing straps for 8 hours without moving. My contention is that this subset of people who try saddles, is a tiny fraction of the total number who try saddles. The rest of the people either keep doing it because they think they're soft and don't get it, and end up fidgeting all day, or worse, not spending time in a tree; Or they sell it and go back to climbers and what not because the saddle is a torture trap for them.

I'm trying to tell people that I agree with you wholeheartedly - time spent in the woods is what kills deer. Yes, it's gotta be the right woods, on the right day, with the right conditions and equipment and ability and blah blah blah. But if you can't sit still, quietly, at the right time, in the right place, you'll kill less deer. I just don't think you are the most common type. I think you are the exception. I think most people sit in a saddle and are extremely uncomfortable, and have to spend a ton of time and money to maybe get slightly more comfortable. What I try to get them to see is that they can avoid that process with the JX3. They may decide that "it has too much going on" even though it has the same amount of ropes, straps as a regular saddle with a backband. Fine, you're out 50 bucks, and an afternoon in your backyard to figure that out.

If you are a stander, hunt from a hang on. If you are a "leaner" - you're a stander who's slightly softer and lazier - hunt from a platform and soft saddle. If you're what I think is a significant majority of people - someone who can't spend 8 hours, much less 2 hours, standing or leaning in a tree, or sitting on 2 - 2" webbing straps - quietly, without moving, and with the motivation to do it enough times to be successful, You might try a JX3.
If we all hunted 100% like you, you'd be 100% correct. Do you have any bolts for sale?
 
We are OK to disagree.
I don't travel miles looking for a tree to climb during season. I have my spots or areas picked out. I am a funnel hunter. I will change trees in a funnel area based on wind and how I access, but my trees are picked out, shooting lanes cut. The places I hunt you have to cut shooting lanes. March is when I walk miles looking at spots I have hunted in the past. Looking for bid rubs. Talking to the wildlife biologist about any big deer killed in areas I find big Rubs to see if a big one was killed in that area. I have been hunting LBL since 1985. These pins are dropped based on my old paper maps and field notes.
I will check some of these areas in mid October, but starting the last week of Oct through the 3rd week of November my plan is set.
Dan Infault has some good videos on how and why he uses the tree to stay hidden. Being comfortable is great. But if you are picked by a deer, comfort goes out the window.

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I'll be in your neck of the woods first week of november - hunting some private ground near Hartford. And then in Nashville for the week of Thanksgiving - and hopefully there permanently next year.

I think we agree on a lot of things, just use a different tool.


I set up almost exclusively with the expectation that deer will cross in front of me (on the opposite side of the tree I'm hanging in). Huge proponent of using the tree as well. In fact, it's exactly one of the reasons I like the hybrid over a stand or platform. I can manipulate my orientation to the tree quietly and controlled, keeping the tree between me and deer, and optimizing shot angle. Not always. But it has and will continue to be an option that I exercise regularly.

I only pointed out the in season scouting to drive home the point that carrying the hybrid isn't a problem. And that I represent the token "give me the ultra lightest setup possible" type of hunter, who rarely gets in a tree, and is tailor made for saddle hunting. I did it. I can do it. I'm more effective at it with the JX3. I'm not saying everyone is. I'm saying there's a lot of people who might be. And they get scared off by "a lot going on" and "too heavy" and "too bulky" and "can't shoot a bow from it". Just offering some perspective there.
 
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If we all hunted 100% like you, you'd be 100% correct. Do you have any bolts for sale?

Will never sell bolts!

And I don't use the hyperbole. I point out extremes (both ends of a spectrum though), to build the brackets within which most people will find themselves. Then they can think clearly about the topic at hand. Most people aren't meant to be the avant garde.

My opinion is that I think a lot of people would be more successful hunting SIMILAR to me. Because I think a lot of people waste a lot of time doing things that aren't conducive to killing deer. So I try to clearly state that it is in fact my opinion when suggesting someone else do SOME things like I do them. But it is stone cold fact that a whole bunch of people have been captured by the idea of saddle hunting, and are not comfortable. A whole lot. It doesn't take much looking around to find them. OP is exhibit A.

I'm not telling people what to do. I'm offering perspective.
 
I think we can agree that you killing "mature bucks" is not a function of actually climbing the tree, but time spent sitting in it, right?

If we can agree on that, then assuming all other variables remain constant (your ability, the place you're hunting, weapon, etc.), then the more time you spend sitting in a tree should increase your odds of killing mature bucks., no?

This is precisely how I land on the hybrid being such an effective tool. I don't come at it from a "i'm soft and lazy and NEED to be comfortable in the woods to kill a deer". I come at it from a "I spend a load of my time and money hunting. I walk A LOT looking for good spots to kill deer. Usually by the time I find these spots, I'm worn out mentally and physically, and have no desire to climb a tree. Knowing that I'll be comfortable, quiet, and still once I'm up there, gets me over the hump on the decision to climb and hunt."

I'm 100% confident that since 2018 I've spent more time carrying the JX3 than I have spent sitting in it. I'm 75% sure that it's at least double the amount of time. I don't do that because I like John, or like to suffer. I do it because I know that when I need to be in a tree for an extended period of time, whether or not my legs fall asleep, my back seizes up, my hips get stiff, my knees ache like fire, etc. - none of these things will stop me. Zero Chance.

And this is what I try to get people who are considering it to think about: Saddle hunting as a thing is just a tribal signal. It's just like every other cult or religion or movement. Doing something that doesn't really make sense, makes sense because it reinforces your loyalty to the team or the cause.

Of course, there are thousands of people, like you, who are hard. Whether it's their mental and emotional fortitude (which they're lucky to have inherited), or some physical makeup (also blind luck that imparted this on them), that is more conducive to sitting on two webbing straps for 8 hours without moving. My contention is that this subset of people who try saddles, is a tiny fraction of the total number who try saddles. The rest of the people either keep doing it because they think they're soft and don't get it, and end up fidgeting all day, or worse, not spending time in a tree; Or they sell it and go back to climbers and what not because the saddle is a torture trap for them.

I'm trying to tell people that I agree with you wholeheartedly - time spent in the woods is what kills deer. Yes, it's gotta be the right woods, on the right day, with the right conditions and equipment and ability and blah blah blah. But if you can't sit still, quietly, at the right time, in the right place, you'll kill less deer. I just don't think you are the most common type. I think you are the exception. I think most people sit in a saddle and are extremely uncomfortable, and have to spend a ton of time and money to maybe get slightly more comfortable. What I try to get them to see is that they can avoid that process with the JX3. They may decide that "it has too much going on" even though it has the same amount of ropes, straps as a regular saddle with a backband. Fine, you're out 50 bucks, and an afternoon in your backyard to figure that out.

If you are a stander, hunt from a hang on. If you are a "leaner" - you're a stander who's slightly softer and lazier - hunt from a platform and soft saddle. If you're what I think is a significant majority of people - someone who can't spend 8 hours, much less 2 hours, standing or leaning in a tree, or sitting on 2 - 2" webbing straps - quietly, without moving, and with the motivation to do it enough times to be successful, You might try a JX3.
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Not all sticks pack so neatly as full length Beast sticks. I’ve seen a lot of hot messes. JX3 has their own climbing rails now, but in recognizing the challenge of stick management advertised some…solutions. (https://jx3outdoors.com/blog/climbing-stick-attachment-methods-for-the-jx3-hybrid/)

But you‘re in business with those Beast sticks so long as you can manage the width.


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This is useful information. Ive got a set of Muddy pros and Skeletors.
 
We are OK to disagree.
I don't travel miles looking for a tree to climb during season. I have my spots or areas picked out. I am a funnel hunter. I will change trees in a funnel area based on wind and how I access, but my trees are picked out, shooting lanes cut. The places I hunt you have to cut shooting lanes. March is when I walk miles looking at spots I have hunted in the past. Looking for bid rubs. Talking to the wildlife biologist about any big deer killed in areas I find big Rubs to see if a big one was killed in that area. I have been hunting LBL since 1985. These pins are dropped based on my old paper maps and field notes.
I will check some of these areas in mid October, but starting the last week of Oct through the 3rd week of November my plan is set.
Dan Infault has some good videos on how and why he uses the tree to stay hidden. Being comfortable is great. But if you are picked by a deer, comfort goes out the window.

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You've also convinced me to do another reality check, and pull out the kestrel.

I did this two seasons ago just to make sure I wasn't drinking my own kool aid.

Only problem, is now I need a platform! Dangit...
 
Not all sticks pack so neatly as full length Beast sticks. I’ve seen a lot of hot messes. JX3 has their own climbing rails now, but in recognizing the challenge of stick management advertised some…solutions. (https://jx3outdoors.com/blog/climbing-stick-attachment-methods-for-the-jx3-hybrid/)

But you‘re in business with those Beast sticks so long as you can manage the width.


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Do they still make the full length beast sticks?
 
Whelp you guys did a terrible job. I went ahead and ordered one. We will see how it goes.
Give it several sits before making a final decision on it, but I’d bet you will like it. I’ve been using mine exclusively since 2019, and it’s a game changer. Don’t worry about being spotted by a deer because you’re sticking out on the side of the tree. Deer see movement, and if you’re able to sit still and be comfortable you will see plenty of deer. I killed a pile of deer while sticking way out in a tree lounge tree stand because I was comfortable, and able to sit motionless.

I did an 11 hour sit two weeks ago without climbing down. It’s much more of a mental challenge to sit that long than physical. But no way I could have sat for even half that time in a soft saddle.
 
This is what I’ve set up so far.

I know the staggered skeletors stick out a bit on my right side, BUT the carry so well up high like that on the pack. It’s really really nice.
 

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And finally.........
Come to the light, the JX3 tree saddle light..............
Don't be afraid, you will sit from dark to dark very comfortably, no fidgeting, be able to snooze when you want, no dreaded hip pinch, no back aches, you can shoot 360° around the tree with any weapon, bow or gun, no weak side shot.
No platform required, only a ROS, or a JX3 wide top climbing stick, no sore feet, no knee pads required, no sore knees, no tired legs from leaning as you can sit all day, built in pack frame for carrying all your needs. No getting into “saddle shape” as your Lazy Boy at home does it for you. Buy once, cry once.
Come to the light, the JX3 light...........
 
 
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